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post #16 of 68
Just how much did she want to pay you????
post #17 of 68

Your quote was beyond reasonable for something that detailed. You probably would have lost money or really earned no profit on this one so don't look at it as a loss. I think we've all been there with friends and family that feel they have a right to your goods for practically nothing. Now that I'm in business, I don't want anything from friends for free or for a discount anymore. I just see things differently now. Stick to your guns!

post #18 of 68

Definitely stick to your price...  in fact, I'd have told her "I'd usually charge £100, but I can do it for you for £70"

 

Let her KNOW that's a good price.

 

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post #19 of 68
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Originally Posted by Nicki161 View Post

Thank you for replying it was just her reaction that shocked me, I thought I was doing it at a good price but she thought I was ripping her off icon_sad.gif

This is why friends shouldn't sell cake to friends. Everyone seems to know that going into business with a friend is asking for problems, but hardly anyone applies this to cake. 

 

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Originally Posted by Relznik View Post
 

No, you have given her a REALLY good price.  If she wants supermarket cake, let her!  Some people just don't 'get it'.  They'll never be the right customer for you (even if they are a friend!!!)

 

But as a home-based cake business, it's really upsetting that you posed as a potential customer to four bakers, just to validate your quote.

 

 

Almost all my cakes are custom-made - so I will take the time to work out what sized cakes are needed for the portions required, work out the labour, ingredients and other costs involved and then I will get back to the customer with a price.  I know not every enquiry I get will result in an order, but I'd be upset to think that people were phoning me just to see if they were charging correctly!!!

 

 

 

 

 

Really upsetting? Have you had someone come back after they've taken a ton of your time and say, 'I really want to go with you, but only if you will do it for half your quote because that's what miss undercharging homebaker down the street is going to charge me?'.

 

I admit, I hate quoting out complicated cakes. I have 3 hours of emails I should be doing right now.  But I am more than willing to give quotes to homebakers acting like a customer.  As long as they don't get all silly about creating a time consuming cover.

 

 

 

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Just realised I put 4 home bakers doh ment none home bakers so I see the reason for your comment I do apologise,

I'm sorry, I couldn't understand that, but if you said you called real bakeries instead of home bakers, that was definitely who to call, because the typical homebaker doesn't know what her product is worth.

 

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Originally Posted by 105srus
 

Unfortunately friends and family have a weird idea that because the cake is "Home made" it should be cheaper than shops. Yes we have little overheads compared to a shop, but we don't get our ingredients as cheaply as shops do because they order in high bulk. Also, quite often, a home baker uses the best of ingredients, where many shops don't. For instance, how many shops put brandy in, and brandy feed fruit cakes whilst the are maturing? My guess is not many as they can't afford the time and space to do this. Also many shops use almond flavoured paste, based on semolina instead of marzipan. All of these things make a lot of difference when it comes to pricing. Then, of course, comes the individuality, they are not just picking a cake from a picture in a shop book, they are getting an exclusive, so NO you are NOT overcharging. Unfortunately, the same problems occur whatever you make, be it cakes, sweaters, toys or whatever, they just want to pay for ingredients/materials.

It's not just friends and family, it's everyone. It's partly because they assume the lower overhead thing and partly because that's what they've been taught by home bakers who are too afraid to charge what they're worth or too clueless to know what they're worth. If a person is too afraid to charge a fair amount, then that person has no business playing at business, because that's all it is. And it messes up everyone else who's taking their business seriously.

 

A homebaker should charge in line with what a storefront bakery would charge. That's the fair thing to do.

 

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Originally Posted by Relznik View Post
 

Definitely stick to your price...  in fact, I'd have told her "I'd usually charge £100, but I can do it for you for £70"

 

Let her KNOW that's a good price.

 

Definitely let her know what a bargain she's getting.

post #20 of 68
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She wanted to pay no more than £30 cakealicious7 as she said she could get one for ten pound at morrisons , lol thanks for your reply
post #21 of 68

And I'd not be doing that cake for less than $350, which is $219 British pounds

post #22 of 68
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Great idea relznic I'll take comment on board and use it

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post #23 of 68
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Thank you howsweet on replying lots of quotes and points to think about , I only started with friends and family as they tried my cakes when I was learning and then they tell people who ask if ill do them a cake, I do no friends and family expect things for nothing at time , I don't advertise and I'm not on Facebook so it is just word of mouth I can't do it full time as I hold down two part time jobs and have a young family so it was more of a enjoyable hobby that I didn't want costing me , thank you I will take on everyone's comments , hope I haven't upset or affended anyone otherwise I wouldn't of posted ,I just feel £70 was a fair price for the work time and effort involved

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post #24 of 68
Let her get a £10 cake at Morrisons, it won't look anything like that. If she's lucky it will be a sheet cake with some monkey iced corset shape on there, and she can spend all night explaining what it's supposed to be. Her friends will ask her why she didn't come to you for a cake, and she'll have to say she didn't want to spend the money.

What kind of business is she in?

(I'm not going to go into whether this is really an appropriate cake for a mother to get for her 18 year old daughter icon_eek.gif!)
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post #25 of 68
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She wanted to pay no more than £30 cakealicious7 as she said she could get one for ten pound at morrisons , lol thanks for your reply

£30 pounds!!!!! And how does your cake compare to morrisons?!!! If that was my friend i would be pretty upset, you shouldn't have to justify your costs to her. If she feels your work is not worth ATLEAST £70 pound then she should go elsewhere.
post #26 of 68
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Hi Kikiandkyle
she owns a company with her husband that is engineering they do really and employe over 50 people and I no for a fact they do quotes for people as I sometime have to have there children after school as they are out doing quotes icon_sad.gif so I bet they don't under quote, the morrisons bit made me giggle haha , we haven't even been invited to the party lol she said it was just there child's friends which I can't believe for one minute ,if money was so much of a issue you would keep guests down and I wouldn't be doing a hog roast it would be sandwiches and sausage rolls lol well I'm going give it till 8 then ill have to send a text as tomorrow is my only chance of getting what I need so I could really do with knowing either way , thanks for replying
post #27 of 68
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She wanted to pay no more than £30 cakealicious7 as she said she could get one for ten pound at morrisons , lol thanks for your reply

Morrisons? Pfsh! They don't even rate their own skills enough to make custom cakes for their own parties icon_wink.gif http://www.cakesbynet.co.uk/blog/2013/03/18/Morrisons-Birthday-Cake.aspx
(And I bet they paid more than £10 for that).
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post #28 of 68
Do morrisons even do a corset cake??
Good luck to her! When I looked at hog roasts they were about £600 so she's clearly pushing the boat out!
I think it's really mean she hasn't told you for definite and left you hanging...
Stand your ground £70 for that is a very decent price.
post #29 of 68
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My husband has said that too,I really do think she thinks it's eggs sugar butter and flour that's all I need.i feel like writing a big list then saying buy me this then I'll make your cake she would have a shock I might not have profit but I least my stock level would go up and so would her £70 lol
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Thanks for sharing that Lindseyjhills very true icon_smile.gif
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