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I do cakes for friends & family, and sometimes friends of friends through word of mouth. I have never charged for a cake but this year I have accepted reimbursement for materials, tips, and several trading of services. A woman who I have become friendly with has received several of my cakes. She is a hairdresser who I know likes to bake, is a " cake fan", but has no real talent in that department so she gets her cakes from me. She will usually do a cut, color/highlight for me in an exchange for an average sized cake, and I bring my kids in her salon and she cuts their hair for no charge also. So the past few cakes she has received from me have been for " someone else", her client, her friend, etc. While I appreciate the referral, I just feel like something weird is going on.

  I have never been able to make contact with any of these cake customers and all details of the cake design has gone thru this woman. I would think these people would at least want to speak to me or email me since I am the cake designer. Did I mention that this woman ALWAYS picks up the cake from me and then delivers it to the third party? This past weekend I made an awesome 3 tiered Wrestling cake for a friend of hers and I urged her to let me help with delivery/setup so that if any damage occurred I could be there to fix it. She insisted on delivering a 3 tiered cake herself. hmm. At first I assumed she was giving these cakes to her loved ones as a gift but now I am thinking she is either A) trying to pass these cakes off as her creations( remember she is kind of a wannabe baker) or B) charging $$ for the cakes and then giving me a $100 haircut & color in exchange. I hope it's not B)....that would be really dirty because she could be charging up to $200 each cake.

    So my question is this: Should I care what she does with the cakes after they leave me? I am not a business so I don't think any foolery on her part would hurt me in that way. Would you all get bent out of shape over this? I guess it does bother me a little or I wouldn't be writing this, but I would really value advise from you all. I would also like to add that I work full time in a stressful ( emergency) environment, and am raising small children so I tend to " triage" problems in my life and shove little small stuff off my plate in order to deal with the more important stuff. I am not the drama type so I don't want to make a huge deal out of this.Just want to know how you all would deal with this. Thanks

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If you are happy with the arrangement, assuming she is selling your work as her own, leave it alone. If you aren't, then stop doing cakes for her.

What state are you in? Maybe you could start your own cottage food bakery, and get your own clients, and pay cash for those haircuts. And how good is she? If I found someone that could cut my hair the way I like it, and my kids, I would NOT piss her off, lol. I always cut my own hair after I get home from the salon, same with touching up my kids' hair. Good beauticians are harder to find than a good baker.
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Originally Posted by Annabakescakes View Post

Good beauticians are harder to find than a good baker.

Hahaha, TRUTH. I've gone to the same lady to do my color for the last 13 years, except once. And I ended up with an orange mullet. No joke, it was very, very bad.

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Good beauticians are harder to find than a good baker.
Hahaha, TRUTH. I've gone to the same lady to do my color for the last 13 years, except once. And I ended up with an orange mullet. No joke, it was very, very bad.
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THANKS Annabakescakes...I am in Oregon and not quite sure what the laws are here regarding home bakeries. I would love to get a license to sell cakes though..but if my state requires a whole separate kitchen then I am SOL! The hairdresser I wrote about is the only one that does my hair the way I like.She really knows color & skin tone and how to get the right shade and highlights. I suppose that's why I always do a cake when she asks.  Its so true, it's hard to find someone who always gets it right! It wouldn't really bother me if she took the credit for my cakes but upcharging would really bug me.  Does anyone else care to opine? If I look the other way on this, am I a guilty of being a " cake whore"?

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No way was I dumb enough to take a picture of it!!! I went the next day to my old beautician, she chopped the mullet off and had to layer short layers all over to try to fix it. She couldn't fix the color right away because she was afraid it would fry my hair, took another 3 months to totally get the orange color out. She still says it was the WORST haircut/color she has ever seen in her career. It was soo bad!!

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THANKS Annabakescakes...I am in Oregon and not quite sure what the laws are here regarding home bakeries. I would love to get a license to sell cakes though..but if my state requires a whole separate kitchen then I am SOL! The hairdresser I wrote about is the only one that does my hair the way I like.She really knows color & skin tone and how to get the right shade and highlights. I suppose that's why I always do a cake when she asks.  Its so true, it's hard to find someone who always gets it right! It wouldn't really bother me if she took the credit for my cakes but upcharging would really bug me.  Does anyone else care to opine? If I look the other way on this, am I a guilty of being a " cake whore"?

In a way, none of us really know what people do with the cakes we sell them. We "think" they all eat them..and that's kind of as far as I want to go with that thought process!! icon_rolleyes.gif

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In a way, none of us really know what people do with the cakes we sell them. We "think" they all eat them..and that's kind of as far as I want to go with that thought process!! icon_rolleyes.gif

 

 

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icon_redface.gif LOL!  DOH! I just pictured something really inappropriate..

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THANKS Annabakescakes...I am in Oregon and not quite sure what the laws are here regarding home bakeries. I would love to get a license to sell cakes though..but if my state requires a whole separate kitchen then I am SOL! The hairdresser I wrote about is the only one that does my hair the way I like.She really knows color & skin tone and how to get the right shade and highlights. I suppose that's why I always do a cake when she asks.  Its so true, it's hard to find someone who always gets it right! It wouldn't really bother me if she took the credit for my cakes but upcharging would really bug me.  Does anyone else care to opine? If I look the other way on this, am I a guilty of being a " cake whore"?
I really laughed icon_biggrin.gificon_biggrin.gif:grin:at the last two words...
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Originally Posted by shebysuz View Post

THANKS Annabakescakes...I am in Oregon and not quite sure what the laws are here regarding home bakeries. I would love to get a license to sell cakes though..but if my state requires a whole separate kitchen then I am SOL! The hairdresser I wrote about is the only one that does my hair the way I like.She really knows color & skin tone and how to get the right shade and highlights. I suppose that's why I always do a cake when she asks.  Its so true, it's hard to find someone who always gets it right! It wouldn't really bother me if she took the credit for my cakes but upcharging would really bug me.  Does anyone else care to opine? If I look the other way on this, am I a guilty of being a " cake whore"?

Hey, we do what we gotta do!

http://cottagefoodlaws.com/state-regulations/oregon-cottage-food-law/Oregon has a Cottage Law which allows its citizens to operate a home based bakery or food processing business. For details about small/home food processing contact your local health departments or the state Department of Agriculture.

Baking in a Domestic Kitchen

Domestic kitchen licensing procedures

Oregon Department of Agriculture – Food Safety Division

635 Capitol Street NE
Salem, OR 97301-2532
Phone: 503-986-4720
fsd-expert@oda.state.or.us
http://oregon.gov/ODA/FSD/docs/pdf/pub_domkit.pdf

Food Safety Division – Domestic Kitchens
http://oregon.gov/ODA/FSD/docs/pdf/pub_label_general.pdf
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I love to barter, just saying it makes me happy icon_smile.gif
I have a couple questions...Why are you giving her a cake worth $200 when she's giving you a hairdo for $100? I know you said you've been compensated with other things, that's awesome. You get to do something you obviously enjoy doing, get in the practice, and still get something out of it. You do cakes as favors and for friends and seems like you haven't really been able to feasibly plan a future in it right now, so how do you put a price on them? Do you just charge them your cost for ingredients or do you have some sort of pricing guide/plan that you go by? How often are you making cakes for her, is it a monthly thing, or has she had you make like 20 cakes?

I ask because you said you would rather have her pass of your cakes as hers then have her flip them.

I wouldn't like it one bit BUT I am licensed and have paid the fees, insurance, training, etc. and im working towards expansion. So our situations are quite different at the moment. I still don't think I would like to have someone else claiming my work no matter the situation.

On the other hand, what would be the difference between selling cakes to the manager of my favorite Italian restaraunt and having him put in his display case to sell individual slices to his customers? I do think it would be shady of her to pass off your work as her own, inevitably this will come back to bite her somehow!

Basically, your providing her a service in exchange for her providing you one. If you are happy with this relationship then maintain it, however, the fact you are questioning the arrangement now suggests that something's wrong. Perhaps you need to figure out a trade your more comfortable with, not settling for $100 if your giving her something of greater value. Does that make sence?
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Thanks Annabakescakes. I am going to look into the laws here in Oregon. I already work 45 hours per week so this wouldnt be a full time venture, however it would be nice to have a legit way to sell my cakes. I appreciate the info!
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prove it thumbs_up.gif I wanna see!
No way was I dumb enough to take a picture of it!!! I went the next day to my old beautician, she chopped the mullet off and had to layer short layers all over to try to fix it. She couldn't fix the color right away because she was afraid it would fry my hair, took another 3 months to totally get the orange color out. She still says it was the WORST haircut/color she has ever seen in her career. It was soo bad!!

Oh, man, I once let this guy cut off all my hair, and it was so jagged I had to get the electric clippers out and shave it all off. I was 17 at the time, and i wish like hell I had a picture! After it grew for about 3 months and was still super short, I let this other guy dye it blond...it was yellow and I looks HORRIBLE! I hid in the bathroom until someone went and got me a brown color from another apartment...turned it green! So then, I put on a ball cap, and a hooded sweatshirt and got a ride to the store where I got a red color, and went and dyed it for the 3rd time in one night! It finally looked decent though, a sort of chestnut brown.

I have been cutting my own hair for 10 years, but got it cut about a month ago, and I had a mullet, sort of. the top layers were chin length, while the bottom layers were all the way down my back... I looked like the little chinese girl from the New Karate Kid, with Jaden Smith. This is the best pic I could find of the little girl. http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMTYwNDg2MTk2MV5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwODc2MjQ1Mw@@._V1._SX640_SY964_.jpg Not a good look on a fat white 33 year old woman.
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I love to barter, just saying it makes me happy icon_smile.gif
I have a couple questions...Why are you giving her a cake worth $200 when she's giving you a hairdo for $100? I know you said you've been compensated with other things, that's awesome. You get to do something you obviously enjoy doing, get in the practice, and still get something out of it. You do cakes as favors and for friends and seems like you haven't really been able to feasibly plan a future in it right now, so how do you put a price on them? Do you just charge them your cost for ingredients or do you have some sort of pricing guide/plan that you go by? How often are you making cakes for her, is it a monthly thing, or has she had you make like 20 cakes?

I ask because you said you would rather have her pass of your cakes as hers then have her flip them.

I wouldn't like it one bit BUT I am licensed and have paid the fees, insurance, training, etc. and im working towards expansion. So our situations are quite different at the moment. I still don't think I would like to have someone else claiming my work no matter the situation.

On the other hand, what would be the difference between selling cakes to the manager of my favorite Italian restaraunt and having him put in his display case to sell individual slices to his customers? I do think it would be shady of her to pass off your work as her own, inevitably this will come back to bite her somehow!

Basically, your providing her a service in exchange for her providing you one. If you are happy with this relationship then maintain it, however, the fact you are questioning the arrangement now suggests that something's wrong. Perhaps you need to figure out a trade your more comfortable with, not settling for $100 if your giving her something of greater value. Does that make sence?

I have made cakes for her that range in value from 85- 200 bucks with the exception of the last one which fed 100 and was worth about $350-$500. Basically she asks for a quote and then gives me services to match that amount. When my hair credit is up she usually calls and texts me for a cake and then sets another appt for me. She is really good about not being a cheap cake snake, she knows the value and how many hours goes into it.
For all others, I explain to them that I can't take money but I will accept reimbursement for ingredients and barter for my labor. I had an electrician install 2 chandeliers in my house in exchange for a custom giant cupcake cake for his wife's birthday. When figuring my labor I always use the formula of 15 bucks an hour for non artistic hours..( baking, shopping, washing cake pans, cruising the internet researching and planning a cake) and 25 bucks an hour for the actual decorating/ sugarwork/ gumpaste figures etc. Any cake artist that charges less than that for their time is underestimating their talent.
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I have made cakes for her that range in value from 85- 200 bucks with the exception of the last one which fed 100 and was worth about $350-$500. Basically she asks for a quote and then gives me services to match that amount. When my hair credit is up she usually calls and texts me for a cake and then sets another appt for me. She is really good about not being a cheap cake snake, she knows the value and how many hours goes into it.
For all others, I explain to them that I can't take money but I will accept reimbursement for ingredients and barter for my labor. I had an electrician install 2 chandeliers in my house in exchange for a custom giant cupcake cake for his wife's birthday. When figuring my labor I always use the formula of 15 bucks an hour for non artistic hours..( baking, shopping, washing cake pans, cruising the internet researching and planning a cake) and 25 bucks an hour for the actual decorating/ sugarwork/ gumpaste figures etc. Any cake artist that charges less than that for their time is underestimating their talent.

CHEAP CAKE SNAKE! I LOVE IT! It looks like you are charging well for your time, and you get services for it, if it were me, I would not rock the boat! I had a deal like that but it was cheap hair product and expensive, barely worn hand me downs for my daughter. Now she has turned into a cheap cake snake (SO gonna use that forever!) and wants cakes for nothing, and doesn't go to the supply house anymore... I need a mongoose to sic on her (figuratively speaking) .
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