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post #16 of 35

What I don't get is why you are (and everyone else is) so obssessed with what this woman is baking. You said the cupcakes are good. Why make a big deal about if they use a mix or bake from scratch? You got your answer - it's obvious that they use a mix. If you don't want to eat cakes made with a mix the stop shopping there. It's that simple.

 

I'm a scratch baker.

post #17 of 35
Exactly! Everyone on this site seems to be so picky and obsessed... I have had my business for 2 years, and have only had 1 person ask me... And she didn't even care! I think she must've been influenced in some way to ask, because I told her no, and she still ordered!!
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post #18 of 35

Hmmm - why would you not ask whilst being in the shop?

 

Perhaps the lady thought you were another bakery when you called - shrug

 

I don't see any signal that she was dishonest...  Isn't being dishonest telling an untruth?

 

She just took the 5th ... as America calls it icon_wink.gif

 

If she said yes, i bake from scratch - and she actually used a packet mix - now that would be dishonest...

 

Maybe you should have been upfront and mentioned why you were asking..... shrug.

 

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post #19 of 35
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Truly the reason I asked about baking from scratch is because I was considering ordering my birthday cake from her.  I like Italian Cream Cheese cake and if she baked from scratch I would have ordered it to save myself time from baking my cake. 

 

Anyway, I did get my answer by her evasiveness. 

 

 

Cakeymom

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Truly the reason I asked about baking from scratch is because I was considering ordering my birthday cake from her.  I like Italian Cream Cheese cake and if she baked from scratch I would have ordered it to save myself time from baking my cake....oh i don't doubt you for one minute...  why you wanted to know is your business/concern - However, to assume she was dishonest is a harsh call.   

 

 

 

Anyway, I did get my answer by her evasiveness. ....you think ?  icon_confused.gif

Lolllll, evasiveness is a far cry from being tagged dishonest.

Again, perhps she thought you were another baker/caker when you phoned... 

Perhaps you need to call again and mention that you are a protential customer... or pop in and ask her face to face...

 

Bluehue

 

 

 

Cakeymom

post #21 of 35

But asking if its a mix is different from asking what is in the cake.

post #22 of 35

If you like her cake, who cares if it's scratch or a mix?  The only important thing is that it's good and you like it. RIGHT??? 

post #23 of 35

No, I don't really think all that matters is if you like it.  I like, no love, Diet Coke.  Had quite a habit of drinking 3 - 4 per day.  As I became more aware of the harmful chemicals in it, I chose to give it up; haven't had any soda for almost two years.  I'm not totally obsessed with keeping all chemicals out of my food, but I do try to minimize them.  Since I'm no chemist or doctor or whatever and since I don't know how any of the chemicals in box mixes affect my body, I choose not to use them, particularly since there are viable alternatives.  A bakery using a mix would be a deal breaker for me, regardless of how beautiful and tasty they are.

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post #24 of 35
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Well, for the record I did purchase my birthday cake from the bakery and it was good.  But, I don't see what the harm is in knowing what you are paying for.  I get the point of using a good quality commercial mix; consistency, and being able to sell a product at a good and fair price.

 

But, what I do not get is, why not just say you use a mix.  Why does there have to be this lack of ownership???  Again, if I had a bakery I might be one that uses a mix.  But, at least I would be forthcoming if asked this question.

 

cakeymom

post #25 of 35

The bakery I worked for used a mix of scratch recipes and those from a doctored mix.  The 'recipe' most requested from us was our doctored mix.  We did not disclose  our recipes nor did we say whether we used a mix or not.   Unfortunately some people have the misguided notion that if they purchase a baked good produced from a mix (doctored or not), that it somehow is worth less.  That's why the baker was hesitant.   Whether true or not, perception rules the market place and I'm sure she was concerned if she divulged her baking methods,  some customers might reconsider using her.   Right or wrong, that's what happens. 

 

If I were in the same position and asked point blank if I used mixes I too would be hesitant...but I might say that 'some of our recipes use a base mix, while others are made completely from scratch--and it just depends upon which recipe provides the highest quality and superior taste as to which type we use for any given order.'  

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post #26 of 35
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No, I don't really think all that matters is if you like it.  I like, no love, Diet Coke.  Had quite a habit of drinking 3 - 4 per day.  As I became more aware of the harmful chemicals in it, I chose to give it up; haven't had any soda for almost two years.  I'm not totally obsessed with keeping all chemicals out of my food, but I do try to minimize them.  Since I'm no chemist or doctor or whatever and since I don't know how any of the chemicals in box mixes affect my body, I choose not to use them, particularly since there are viable alternatives.  A bakery using a mix would be a deal breaker for me, regardless of how beautiful and tasty they are.

 This is how I feel about it too. I try to limit the amount of chemicals that go into my body and that includes mixes (and other processed food) when I can easily buy (elsewhere) or make something from scratch. It seems that in certain areas, mixes are quite popular and the norm. But for me, it isn't normal or acceptable to buy/eat/etc processed foods- no matter how 'tasty' it may be.

 

When I read the 'gourmet' flavours page here, I was almost shocked that people would include all these extras- like chemically liquid coffee creamers, etc into their cake mixes (and other things too). So no, I would not want to buy from a bakery that uses a mix and I would like to know if they did because I do care about what goes into my body, it's just not acceptable for me to ingest processed foods with wild abandon- no matter how 'good' it may taste. 

post #27 of 35
You really already knew the answer, because you could "smell" the mix. So what was the motivation for asking?
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post #28 of 35
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The bakery I worked for used a mix of scratch recipes and those from a doctored mix.  The 'recipe' most requested from us was our doctored mix.  We did not disclose  our recipes nor did we say whether we used a mix or not.   Unfortunately some people have the misguided notion that if they purchase a baked good produced from a mix (doctored or not), that it somehow is worth less.  That's why the baker was hesitant.   Whether true or not, perception rules the market place and I'm sure she was concerned if she divulged her baking methods,  some customers might reconsider using her.   Right or wrong, that's what happens. 
Just looking at some of the responses in this thread re mixes, it looks like the bakery made the right call in declining to disclose their baking process.
post #29 of 35
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Just looking at some of the responses in this thread re mixes, it looks like the bakery made the right call in declining to disclose their baking process.

 

Jason, I tend to disagree.  Though I realize I can only speak for myself, the answer provided by the bakery in question would evoke two possible responses from me.  1) The evasiveness of the response would be perceived as an answer and I would not purchase from the bakery because they use mixes; or 2) If it were two years ago before I decided to minimize chemicals in my diet, I would be annoyed by the evasiveness of the answer on the grounds that I believe a consumer has a right to know what they are purchasing and I would not order anything from the bakery.  I my humble opinion, the question had nothing to do with the process, only the ingredients.  A response similar to the one carmijok offered would have satisfied me and I would happily have placed an order.  

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post #30 of 35
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 I my humble opinion, the question had nothing to do with the process, only the ingredients.  A response similar to the one carmijok offered would have satisfied me and I would happily have placed an order.  
Except if the bakery only uses mixes, answering that some products are made from mixes and others from scratch would be dishonest.

The question absolutely has to do with process...if it was about ingredients OP would have asked for a list of ingredients. Some mixes have chemical ingredients and some don't.
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