Royal Incing And Buttercream Without Meringue Powder

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doudoun Posted 27 Sep 2006 , 8:28pm
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Hello,

Do you have a royal icing recipe without meringue powder???

I make my buttercream with just butter, no crisco so do you think it's compulsory to ad meringue powder on it???

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aminium Posted 27 Sep 2006 , 8:35pm
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I know you can use egg whites instead of the pwder, but I forget what the conversion is...how much powder + water = how many egg whites...sorry, wish I could be more helpful

never mind...I forgot I had Martha's recipe in my purse...you can use 2 large egg whites instead of the powder, per 1 lb of sugar...begin mixing and add 1/2 cup of water at a time till you reach the desired consistency.

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Cakelady232 Posted 27 Sep 2006 , 8:45pm
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Meringue Powder is not "required" when making buttercream. Many recipes don't use it but............for roses, etc. it is extremely helpful in stablizing your frosting.

In Buttercream icing, it acts as a stabilizer as well. This is helpful during warm months since butter makes a frosting so soft.

It also helps a frosting to "crust" which is extremely helpful when using certain techniques like "piping gel transfer" and smoothing with a paper towel or piece of parchment.

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doudoun Posted 27 Sep 2006 , 9:02pm
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Thanks girls!!

It's more easy for me to not ad meringue powder because i need to order in us so i am in france icon_confused.gif

I can't smooth my buttercream with paper towel, because i make a italian buttercream (water and sugar boil ad with yellow egg, butter and sugar but half than us ) and is always stick ! do you think i's because i don't make double sugar than us and don't put crisco???
i try with meringue powder but it's sticky to !

Thank you for your reply

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AngD Posted 27 Sep 2006 , 9:14pm
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Cakelady,
So glad I read this thread, So you mean I will have a much easier time when making roses if I add Meringue powder? Oh please do share.... HOw much do I put in the recipe on here for the crusting buttercream? Thank you for enlightening me!

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Cakelady232 Posted 27 Sep 2006 , 9:27pm
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Doudoun....please remember also that we use meringue powder in the U.S. in lieu of raw egg white to avoid any salmonella contamination which is always a possibility when using raw egg.

Re: Crusting buttercream. I make Italian buttercream too. It's delicious and lucious but does not lend itself well to piping roses, etc. and you certainly cannot use it for piping gel transfer or paper smoothing unless you frosting the cake first and freeze it. While frozen, you may be able to "smooth" it the traditional way (paper towel/parchment and a fondant smoother).

Re: Roses and buttercream. The consistency of the frosting is so very critical. Too soft and your roses are dropping and too stiff and the petals won't stick to the foundation and the petals crack.

Wilton "Class Buttercream" lends itself perfectly to rose piping.....

1 cup white Vegetable shortening
1 teaspoon flavor
2T milk (I use heavy whipping cream)
1 # pure can confectioners' sugar
1T Wilton Meringue Powder
pinch of salt

This nets approx 3 cups of "stiff" consistency frosting. If it's toooooo stiff, it won't work well. Check by touching the icing. If nothing sticks to your finger, it's too stiff. Add a small amount (1 teaspoon at a time) of milk and try again. Good Luck

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jillchap Posted 27 Sep 2006 , 9:31pm
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cakelady232 - what a great tip about how to test for the stiffness of the icing, thanks!!
Does anyone have a surefire way of bringing back an icing that you've thinned down too much (i.e. adding icing sugar or cornstarch?)
Cheers,
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doudoun Posted 27 Sep 2006 , 9:39pm
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okkkkkkkk icon_surprised.gif now i understand cakelady!! you use in us meringue powder because you use in cake and can let it outside so you can't use fresh egg!!!

But me i use fruit and chocolat mousse in my cake so i can't let them outside the fridge. so it's not obligatory for me to use meringue powder.

Yes for smothing my buttercream, i don't have choice to let it in the freezer some minutes before smoth it ! i never try paper towel after freezing cake. so i going to buy meringue powder just for roses.

Thanks very much for your help.

I try to make the recipe 1lb of sugar with 2 white eggs.

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MissBaritone Posted 28 Sep 2006 , 6:17am
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As you're in Europe if you want meringue powder try ordering from the UK. Over here the product you want is called meri-white. Here's a link to a fantastic shop that is used to exporting
http://newlook.design-a-cake.co.uk/

As has been said you can make royal and buttercream without the powder but I am always very wary about using raw egg in icing plus the meri-white does give a whiter icing

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