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post #16 of 29

The only way that I can make a passable buttercream rose is on a stick, so I can vouch for that being easier than flat. I stick to gumpaste, it's much easier to get a flower instead of a blob that way.

post #17 of 29
Thread Starter 

Ironically, I have no problems with Gumpaste roses. LOL.  Go figure.

post #18 of 29

It would be useful to start by making flattish wild roses or pansies until you can make those well. You have to get the hang of moving both the nail and the tip of the bag at the same time.

 

Then instead of starting with a full sized rose, it might be easier to pipe sweetheart roses.

 

Tube 103: make one full circle on the nail with the tip vertical (wide end against nail) by rotating the NAIL with fingers, not the tube. Hold the bag with your piping hand and do NOT move it at all.

 

Then rotate piping hand so tube is at 45 degree angle from vertical. Then add 3 small petals, then 5 more under those. End of ordeal.  Decent small rose to use wherever you need.

 

For each petal, you have to rotate nail at the same time you loop up/down with piping hand to shape petal.  If you are watching a video, make sure you pay attention to these motions with both hands at the same time.

 

I keep a box full of parchment squares and a cookie sheet handy.  Nail stays in off hand all the time.  Piping hand slides edge of paper off and then picks bag up again.  Dip nail into box for next flower.


Edited by BakingIrene - 1/18/13 at 10:31am
post #19 of 29
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Originally Posted by remnant3333 View Post

Learn to make them right on to the cake!!! And yes, you need stiffer icing. Look at this stacking and fixing video in the second last half of video and it shows you how to make roses right on top of cake. Also if you are new check out all of her videos and you will learn so much more. Visual learning is always best for me!!! You can practice on top of cupcakes!! Just keep practicing and you will learn!!/Good luck

http://seriouscakes.com/wordpress/?page_id=498

Making them right on the cake is not productive enough for me.  At 93 seconds each on the cake (that's about 6.5 roses in 10 minutes), you need to twirl them on something a lot smaller/faster than a turntable.  It's apparent they can be made more productively if you never need to let go of your tools in either hand just to pick them up again to continue, but piping directly on the cake would drive me crazy --  I've got too many things to do before I die!  (Sorry, I'm repeating myself now -- need to find something more productive to do!)

HOW TO:
Make tip #127D (giant rose tip) Ruffle cake,
Write with icing,
Make buttercream roses on a stick:
http://s984.photobucket.com/albums/ae322/Unlimited1cakes/
Reply
HOW TO:
Make tip #127D (giant rose tip) Ruffle cake,
Write with icing,
Make buttercream roses on a stick:
http://s984.photobucket.com/albums/ae322/Unlimited1cakes/
Reply
post #20 of 29

It sure sounds like  your icing is not stiff enough and/or you are making your center much too tall and thin.  Some people suggest using a Hershey's kiss as the center mound but not all your customers will like having choco & it's an added expense! So what I taught was to have a Kiss in front of you can get the size and shape correct.  Then make sure the icing is stiff enough but not so stiff it kills your hand to pipe it out :)

post #21 of 29

Unlimited, I just looked back at your videos again and just don't see where you explained it.  I see a couple of comments from others but not yours. 

post #22 of 29

Unlimited, To each his own!! I do not work and am retired so I have plenty of time! You can do roses your way and I will do them my way.  If I sold cakes for a living then maybe I would do the roses differently but for now I enjoy doing them on the cake.

post #23 of 29
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Originally Posted by denetteb View Post

Unlimited, I just looked back at your videos again and just don't see where you explained it.  I see a couple of comments from others but not yours. 

I also can't view the text from my laptop (I don't know why), but I can from my desktop.  Here's the text:

I don’t use scissors to take the roses off the stick. It’s not the most productive way if you have to put your bag down to grab another tool (the scissors) to run up the nail/stick and then use another step to wipe it off the scissors. With this setup, you can easily make 600 roses per hour. I’ll explain…You’ll need: 1=Full size BUN sheet cake pan (approx. 18” x 24”), ?=Bakery pan liners (parchment-type paper), 1=Optional 20” custom-fabricated metal rod with three 1”-2” spikes or Optional 20” custom-fabricated wooden rod with three 1”-2” hardware nails. First of all, you need to modify one of your full size BUN pans by— 1.) cutting off two corners, 2.) folding down the entire edge of that end of the pan, and 3.) cutting notches out of the lipped area up to the bend. Before cutting the notches, you need to decide your preference as to how many roses that you want your pan to hold. (6 roses per row X 8 rows = 48 roses per pan every 5 minutes, or 7 roses per row X 11 rows = 77 roses per pan every 7-8 minutes.) Tape your parchment pan liner over the notched area on the pan and let the rest of the paper hang freely below (or use the optional rod instead of tape, but you’ll need to cut additional notches for each row in the pan sides to hold the rod). To remove your completed rose from the stick, wipe or drag each rose into one of the “V”-shaped notches in the pan that is covered by the paper. When you’ve completed one row, move the paper up and continue piping another row of roses. Repeat until the pan is full. This is the short version—I hope it makes sense. Have fun! Photo of tray: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v148/real_faker/Panwithpaperangleshot.jpg
HOW TO:
Make tip #127D (giant rose tip) Ruffle cake,
Write with icing,
Make buttercream roses on a stick:
http://s984.photobucket.com/albums/ae322/Unlimited1cakes/
Reply
HOW TO:
Make tip #127D (giant rose tip) Ruffle cake,
Write with icing,
Make buttercream roses on a stick:
http://s984.photobucket.com/albums/ae322/Unlimited1cakes/
Reply
post #24 of 29
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Originally Posted by remnant3333 View Post

Unlimited, To each his own!! I do not work and am retired so I have plenty of time! You can do roses your way and I will do them my way.  If I sold cakes for a living then maybe I would do the roses differently but for now I enjoy doing them on the cake.

Of course, I can continue piping roses my way (thankyouverymuch), and I can't stop you from making them your way (whichever way that may be).  I didn't diss you for how you make them as I don't know your method (you didn't say you made them the same way as in the video you linked to).

 

I've got plenty of time too.  I USED to work on an assembly line, and it ruins you for the rest of your life when it comes to idle time... you can't sit still without thinking of ways to multi-task, carry too many things (instead of making two trips), have restful sleep without dreaming about what needs to get done, etc.!

HOW TO:
Make tip #127D (giant rose tip) Ruffle cake,
Write with icing,
Make buttercream roses on a stick:
http://s984.photobucket.com/albums/ae322/Unlimited1cakes/
Reply
HOW TO:
Make tip #127D (giant rose tip) Ruffle cake,
Write with icing,
Make buttercream roses on a stick:
http://s984.photobucket.com/albums/ae322/Unlimited1cakes/
Reply
post #25 of 29

Unlimited, thanks for posting the words  (I am viewing on a desk top but the words don't show.)  Your assembly line efficiency definitely shows up on your pan removal creation. 

post #26 of 29

hi,,can i make bk rosses with ahead of time..how many day on advanced

post #27 of 29
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Originally Posted by mcpr77 View Post

hi,,can i make bk rosses with ahead of time..how many day on advanced

Sure you can.  The sooner you make them, the longer they'll have to air dry which will make them easier to handle and place.  Two days in advance might be long enough to handle gently, four days would be better, and a week or two earlier wouldn't hurt either!

HOW TO:
Make tip #127D (giant rose tip) Ruffle cake,
Write with icing,
Make buttercream roses on a stick:
http://s984.photobucket.com/albums/ae322/Unlimited1cakes/
Reply
HOW TO:
Make tip #127D (giant rose tip) Ruffle cake,
Write with icing,
Make buttercream roses on a stick:
http://s984.photobucket.com/albums/ae322/Unlimited1cakes/
Reply
post #28 of 29
Thanks
post #29 of 29
Quote:
Originally Posted by mcpr77 View Post
 

hi,,can i make bk rosses with ahead of time..how many day on advanced

 

If you want to make the roses in advance, try making them with royal icing and letting them dry :-)

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