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post #376 of 412

Hi- just curious! How did the cake come out?  I know its been a couple years, but I just read it.  ;)

post #377 of 412
Hi all icon_smile.gif

I'm new to CC, having lurked for quite a while, but I've been decorating for about 20 years, having started by jumping in at the deep end when I was 15 by doing my sister's 3 tier royal iced wedding cake.

I've always hobby baked for friends and family who knew the time and effort involved but would never do anything for strangers due to no insurance etc. The only exceptions being gift cakes for teachers (which is now getting me proper orders icon_smile.gif)

I've been professionally decorating now for some years, but a Facebook message today made me come on here to see if I was mental with my pricing!

I had a request for a 3 tier black and white wedding cake with a large cascade of black and white anemones, hydrangea blossoms and fantasy flowers running the full length of the cake, and each tier was to have diamanté banding (real glass, not mesh). This was to feed around 80.

I went through my quote and worked out the ingredients/materials alone were significantly over £100. Adding on all other working costs, then labour, then profit, I came to £470. Bearing in mind I conservatively estimated the flowers alone would take about 14 hours work!

I had a message back this morning to say I was 'massively overpriced' and that she'd ordered her cake at a cost of £150. I just cannot believe this is a real price!

I will only use top quality ingredients which would add a few quid, but honestly! I was so irritated that I worked out the cost of making this with Tesco value products (that's dirt cheap for those of you not in the UK:)), cheap and nasty fondant, diamanté effect mesh and ready made sugar flowers (not what she wanted as they aren't available, just cr***y looking roses) from eBay. Not including any work time at all, this was still over £110, although obviously you can knock the flower making time off.

I was soooo annoyed at her choice of wording that I wrote back explaining that this cost rang a massive warning bell with me, something I never normally do as I know if they buy cheap they'll get cheap.

I knew it wasn't overpriced as I have a similar cake booked in for later this year at a similar price, but she rocked my confidence till I read through these posts!

I am finding more and more that if I get an enquiry through Facebook I will not get that booking, and they'll be rude about the cost. I don't know what is like where any of you are, but in my area it appears that people going through fb are expecting car boot sale prices. Like the lady I had enquire about an 18" fully sculpted car cake, but when I told her the cost said she was expecting it to be about £30 (very clearly fishing for a reduction). I just wished her luck on finding it at that price.

I used to be embarrassed about asking for proper money as it was 'just something I love doing'. Now I still get that pang - until I work out the costs to me, at which point I get much less shy.

Sorry for the rambly post, I was just caught off guard with her response and needed to rant. It always irks me that people are rude when they reply, but really that was one of the most rude comments I've had.

We've all had quotes for things that were more than we expected, but do you turn round to your plumber etc and say 'you're massively overpriced ?' No, you politely say you can't quite manage it at the moment, thanks for your time though. Anything else is just implying that their time and expertise is worth diddly squat!

Rant over icon_smile.gif

Liz x
post #378 of 412
People!
post #379 of 412
Lizzybug78, whoever wrote to you and told you that is a rude cow, and she deserves what she gets for that price. Wait, are you sure it wasn't my sister in law? icon_wink.gif
post #380 of 412
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Originally Posted by LTerry View Post
 

I don't think you are being mean, but yes I have researched my area and what is driving the low prices around here are the people who are selling their cakes cheap. And that is cheaper than my pricing.   I honestly have calculated my costs and time and can not afford to do cakes for what they are charging.  I live in Southwest Iowa in a rural community, most people are charging $2.00 per person (or cake slice), some other's figure their price by doubling their ingredients.  I have had so many people who don't even want to pay that for a cake, and of course I don't end up making cakes for them.

This is an example, last night I received a phone call from someone asking me to make a simple birthday cake for next weekend.  Although, that is a little short notice I thought I could fit it in, so I proceeded to ask what size, kind etc., once she started talking she was adding more detail, fondant decorations etc.  She wanted a square cake, again it ending up being my 12 x 12 which is enough to feed 30 to 40 guests.  And you should know, this is my future in law, my son is marrying her daughter, so it is a sticky situation.  She told me she didn't want anything extravagant, and she wanted to keep the cost down.  I told her my normal charge for the 12 x 12 cake with buttercream and fondant, $75.00, the phone line went quiet, and then she gasped and said wow!!!, that is a lot!  So she said what if we scratch the fondant and just go with a white buttercream with piping and a simple Happy Birthday.  So, being that she is my future daughter-in-laws mother I told her I could do it for $40 to $50 depending on which cake recipe she wanted to go with.  That was merely doubling my ingredients.  She thought that was still a lot of money, so I suggested (nicely) that she may want to get a cake from Wal Mart or Hy-Vee, she said "yuck!"  I was kind of at a loss for words, lol!  But, I ended up just suggesting that maybe she would be better off making a cake herself, trying to be ever so polite.  She finally agreed after saying she didn't want to offend me and saying that she does have a buttercream recipe! 

Generally best to just gift cakes to relatives. I had a lady actually start yelling at me and chewing me out on the phone for my prices. Most people most of us know cannot afford our cakes and don't understand paying high prices for something that's just going to get eaten. The people who can afford your cake are the ones who don't flinch at paying $600 for a pair of shoes.

 

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Hi all icon_smile.gif

I'm new to CC, having lurked for quite a while, but I've been decorating for about 20 years, having started by jumping in at the deep end when I was 15 by doing my sister's 3 tier royal iced wedding cake.

I've always hobby baked for friends and family who knew the time and effort involved but would never do anything for strangers due to no insurance etc. The only exceptions being gift cakes for teachers (which is now getting me proper orders icon_smile.gif)

I've been professionally decorating now for some years, but a Facebook message today made me come on here to see if I was mental with my pricing!

I had a request for a 3 tier black and white wedding cake with a large cascade of black and white anemones, hydrangea blossoms and fantasy flowers running the full length of the cake, and each tier was to have diamanté banding (real glass, not mesh). This was to feed around 80.

I went through my quote and worked out the ingredients/materials alone were significantly over £100. Adding on all other working costs, then labour, then profit, I came to £470. Bearing in mind I conservatively estimated the flowers alone would take about 14 hours work!

I had a message back this morning to say I was 'massively overpriced' and that she'd ordered her cake at a cost of £150. I just cannot believe this is a real price!

I will only use top quality ingredients which would add a few quid, but honestly! I was so irritated that I worked out the cost of making this with Tesco value products (that's dirt cheap for those of you not in the UK:)), cheap and nasty fondant, diamanté effect mesh and ready made sugar flowers (not what she wanted as they aren't available, just cr***y looking roses) from eBay. Not including any work time at all, this was still over £110, although obviously you can knock the flower making time off.

I was soooo annoyed at her choice of wording that I wrote back explaining that this cost rang a massive warning bell with me, something I never normally do as I know if they buy cheap they'll get cheap.

I knew it wasn't overpriced as I have a similar cake booked in for later this year at a similar price, but she rocked my confidence till I read through these posts!

I am finding more and more that if I get an enquiry through Facebook I will not get that booking, and they'll be rude about the cost. I don't know what is like where any of you are, but in my area it appears that people going through fb are expecting car boot sale prices. Like the lady I had enquire about an 18" fully sculpted car cake, but when I told her the cost said she was expecting it to be about £30 (very clearly fishing for a reduction). I just wished her luck on finding it at that price.

I used to be embarrassed about asking for proper money as it was 'just something I love doing'. Now I still get that pang - until I work out the costs to me, at which point I get much less shy.

Sorry for the rambly post, I was just caught off guard with her response and needed to rant. It always irks me that people are rude when they reply, but really that was one of the most rude comments I've had.

We've all had quotes for things that were more than we expected, but do you turn round to your plumber etc and say 'you're massively overpriced ?' No, you politely say you can't quite manage it at the moment, thanks for your time though. Anything else is just implying that their time and expertise is worth diddly squat!

Rant over icon_smile.gif

Liz x

Her choice of wording.. which I assume was to let you know she thought you were trying to take advantage of her.  Whenever that happens to me, three things occur:

 

1) I get a twinge of anger at the unknown baker who is teaching this customer that I'm price gouging

2) I have a little satisfaction knowing how hard this idiot is working for no money

3) I hope that the cake turns as bad as it should for the money.

 

I know I'm going to hell for all that!! :lol:

 

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Originally Posted by costumeczar View Post

Lizzybug78, whoever wrote to you and told you that is a rude cow, and she deserves what she gets for that price. Wait, are you sure it wasn't my sister in law? icon_wink.gif

What drives me crazy is sometimes she gets a very nice cake.

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...Her choice of wording.. which I assume was to let you know she thought you were trying to take advantage of her.  Whenever that happens to me, three things occur:

 

1) I get a twinge of anger at the unknown baker who is teaching this customer that I'm price gouging

2) I have a little satisfaction knowing how hard this idiot is working for no money

3) I hope that the cake turns as bad as it should for the money.

 

I know I'm going to hell for all that!! :lol:

 

 

 

hahahaha

I was addicted to the Hokey Pokey, but I turned myself around.

 

I was addicted to the Hokey Pokey, but I turned myself around.

 

post #382 of 412

I agree I think the T.V.shows, Bridal magazine should list if not the exact price but a ball part price so these people ( customers ) would have some idea before they ask and take up you time.The smallest 3 tier75 ser here goes for $4.50 + per ser. Yes per seving. plus delivery and set up fee.That's basic.

post #383 of 412
Thanks all for making me feel better. Yes she was definitely a rude cow icon_smile.gif I may have dodged a bullet anyway as I spoke to a friend who knows of this woman and apparently she's renowned for being unreliable and not paying for things she orders!

@Howsweet- your point #3; Not that I'm hoping for it at all of course (ahem) , but I've not seen cakewrecks' 'what they asked for and what they got' posts in a while, and this one is a prime candidate icon_wink.gif
post #384 of 412
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Originally Posted by howsweet View Post

 

Her choice of wording.. which I assume was to let you know she thought you were trying to take advantage of her.  Whenever that happens to me, three things occur:

 

1) I get a twinge of anger at the unknown baker who is teaching this customer that I'm price gouging

2) I have a little satisfaction knowing how hard this idiot is working for no money

3) I hope that the cake turns as bad as it should for the money.

 

I know I'm going to hell for all that!! :lol:

 

Never fear, as you'll never be alone when you get there, in fact you'll be among other decorators who feel the same. 

 

as everyone knows,( because of TV), Duff and Buddy and all their friends working in the shop all make minimum wage because they sell their cakes for pennies.   no worries.

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post #385 of 412

here's what a Post Office employee thinks.  It's expensive in Alaska.  I picked up a package from the post office yesterday and the employee said that they were shocked at the prices here compared to the south.  He had a person who would make chocolate lollypops for him for (back home) for about $.30 cents a piece.  When he asked a candy maker here in town the price was $1.00 a piece.  He me asked if that was fair.

 

I said well considering that in your old town you could buy a pound of good $5.oo chocolate by simply driving over to the store.  And here I may have to ship it at the cost of $10.oo a pound.  that triples the price, so YES tripling the price of the lolly's sounds reasonable.  Chalk one up for supporting the local candymaker, who ever they are.

 

I didn't think about it until later, but perhaps he thought that I'd undercut the price and make them for less, but no - no I did not and I'm content.

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Originally Posted by ginger001 
I too, have given people cakes at a ridiculously cheap price. I spend somewhere around 20 hours on a cake, then to have someone hand you 20 or 30.00 is an absolute insult.



And they think they are a hero giving you that!
post #387 of 412
I am just getting started on all if this myself. I actually doubt my work even though other people rave about it. I KNOW I'm not there yet. I have the cake boss software also, although I'm still figuring that all out, too. Its tough when it comes to pricing cakes. If I truly charged $10/hr, the cake would be $200 before costs!! Lol .. pricing is tough.
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 If I truly charged $10/hr, the cake would be $200 before costs!! Lol .. pricing is tough.


Exactly. So if you can't wrap your brain around charging that much for a cake, it just means you can't afford a cake for that price. LOTS of people can't. In fact most people wouldn't dream of spending that amount on a cake. Just like you probably wouldn't spend $700 on a pair of shoes. But the people who do are your customers.

 

This is really meant as a joke, but most of us would be better off hanging around the front of a high end shoe store handing out cards than spreading the word through our friends and family.

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I really think it would be great if the "Cake shows" would actually list the prices of their work much like they do on Fabulous Cakes.

EXACTLY!!!!

 
I couldn't agree more. Another one I hate is the emails/calls that say I only need a cake for 10 people but I would like a 3 tier cake with blah blah blah.....ugh. Really??
post #390 of 412
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Exactly. So if you can't wrap your brain around charging that much for a cake, it just means you can't afford a cake for that price. LOTS of people can't. In fact most people wouldn't dream of spending that amount on a cake. Just like you probably wouldn't spend $700 on a pair of shoes. But the people who do are your customers.

 

This is really meant as a joke, but most of us would be better off hanging around the front of a high end shoe store handing out cards than spreading the word through our friends and family.

I'm off to Jimmy Choo as we speak :-D 

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