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With so many home bakes I think we should get a break

post #1 of 133
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My thoughts are that their is so many cake decorators with great talent that each state should give us a break on easier licenses. I mean if we bake at home why do we need like2-3 sinks, special plumbing I see no point to it. How can we get the point across to the goverment about lisences. We know that we have to get legal right? Like we can afford a cake shop! Like people who do have a kithen are willing to rent them!

It's hard and what better way to be leagal than not to be!!!!!!!!!
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post #2 of 133
Yep, it would make life a lot easier.
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post #3 of 133
In these days of easy litigation, it is likely to be more difficult rather than easier. The licensing entities are concerned with food safety and sanitation. They regularly inspect licensed kitchens. That is no guarantee, but it does help.

There are unlicensed home bakers with pets who are free to walk on the counters and shed hair where ever. And still more who haven't the least notion about food safety. Bleach, handwashing, food storage, all are a mystery.

I know of one baker that doesn't even know what 'cross-contamination' means. That is a bit frightening.

If you have ever seen a grease-trap, you will understand the plumbing issue. eeuuww.

Good luck finding the rules for Colorado. I would start with the local health department. they should know who licenses home-bakers.
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post #4 of 133
I agree completely with JoanneB and I want to add that you have to use some common sense in this area! Would you really want to buy food from places that didn't have to be trained or inspected?
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post #5 of 133
I understand what you mean... But at the same time, I see the need to require licenses...

By the way, I only do this as a hobby, because in Florida it is REALLY hard to get a license from your home.

You and me can be as clean as clean can be, but because others may not, the states have to regulate license to protect the consumer from people like this that do not follow good sanitary standards.

It also protects the cake decorators/bakers from suits from customers that want to take advantage.

It is also bad when things are made extra-hard for people who want to work out of their homes.. In Florida, like I said, its really tough. So, I gave up and considered doing this working for someone else but as a part-time or weekend kind of job.

I still do my cakes, but for my friends and family. Nothing more.
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post #6 of 133
I tell you what, I'm going through the process right now and I agree it's a pain.

BUT

I'm also taking a serve safe class for culinary school and the stuff I've learned about how sick people can get and how easily it can happen if regulations aren't followed has made me wish that the health inspector would stop by a few houses I've eaten at! I won't give you the gory details but let's just say eeeeeeewwwww!

maybe instead we could get a tax break? icon_smile.gif
post #7 of 133
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Originally Posted by cakefanatic

.....I mean if we bake at home why do we need like 2-3 sinks, special plumbing I see no point to it. How can we get the point across to the goverment about lisences.....



It sounds like you haven't taken the food safety classes yet, otherwise you WOULD see the point, which is exactly why it's a regulated industry.

I can appreciate your point of how all of the regulations make it difficult, but it's because of the mistakes people have made in the past in these areas that have required these regulations to be in place in the first place.

Just because "everybody's doing it", doesn't make it ok.
post #8 of 133
lol, what more of a tax break does a home baker want, when most ( and key word is MOST) don't report the extra income?

It's just as hard for a business to get permits and lic also.

In Florida, you have to submit your plans to the county, they have to be decided upon by a commitee meeting...when your plans are approved..with many changes sometimes people that open restaurants spend 150,000.00 and over 9 months going back and forth to make everything the way the County or city wants it. ( this is a new restaurant renovating a space....another guy spent 90,000.00 and 5 months getting his catering company, I was going to rent space next to his and EVEN he recommended for me to just rent the space..renovate is as I go and not get involved in getting permits..I really couldn't do that!!)

Then...after you make all the renovations, changes and install the equipment...you get another inspection..with the guy that gives you the "FINAL" approval. I'm not even going to discuss the fact that sometimes you must pay off certain people that can help you....

You have to have the walls covered with easy clean materials, a grease trap alone is between 12,000.00 to 15,000.00 and you have to not only have the plumber install it...you have to "dig up" the side walk to connect it to the public sewers..more money and permits.

Unless you're a small custom place then you can get a "portable" grease trap that still can cost 2 to 500 bucks and have the Plumber install it and Rotor rooter clean it.

You need to carry insurance, the minimum we have to carry is a million in liability!

Even though my rent is 2,000.00 a month and I have no storefront nor foot traffic...I feel I still got a deal because I have a "shared space permit".

Even though I spent between 12 to 15,000.00 in getting my space ready to open...I didn't have to do any extensive renovations and all my utilities are included, and my garbage remova is included in the rental!!

I have to come up with an idea to bring in an extra 1,000.00 a month to cover my rent increase of 500.00 extra dollars starting Feb 1st.. Can you imagine just HOW many cakes I have to sell to I have to cover my monthly rental? Never mind to make a profit?? ...and since it's so high I cannot afford to hire anyone right now!!

I would LOVE to be able to bake from home! or I'm even willing to "RENT" a seperate apartment, if I could...So, now you all realize WHY I'm so militant about this subject sometimes..lol

soooooooo....WHO needs a tax break???

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( I need a break PERIOD!!)
post #9 of 133
I agree with everyone. I understand every view point made even with the laws. I do keep my kitchen very clean, my exhaust goes outside and I have passed the food safety test. I have no pets and I am married to an executive chef who strives on clean. I can't tell you the number of times I wash my hands, the counter ,the stove you name it while I am doing my baking and decorating, but there are those that don't and thats why it is harder for all of us who do to obtain the license. I wish the state would reconsider oand make it a littler easier and I would welcome the inspector to visit my home at anytime of the day. I would love to have my own quaint little shop but like a number of people its not possible with the cost of everything. I have found my passion and hopefully one day can fulfill it by making other people as happy as it makes me. My daughter is starting classes in February and she is only 11 and she is so excited. She wants to be my assistant.
Anyhow, maybe one day the laws will help us little people. icon_lol.gif
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post #10 of 133
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Originally Posted by fmcmulle

I agree with everyone. I understand every view point made even with the laws. I do keep my kitchen very clean, my exhaust goes outside and I have passed the food safety test. I have no pets and I am married to an executive chef who strives on clean. I can't tell you the number of times I wash my hands, the counter ,the stove you name it while I am doing my baking and decorating, but there are those that don't and thats why it is harder for all of us who do to obtain the license. I wish the state would reconsider oand make it a littler easier and I would welcome the inspector to visit my home at anytime of the day. I would love to have my own quaint little shop but like a number of people its not possible with the cost of everything. I have found my passion and hopefully one day can fulfill it by making other people as happy as it makes me. My daughter is starting classes in February and she is only 11 and she is so excited. She wants to be my assistant.
Anyhow, maybe one day the laws will help us little people. icon_lol.gif



I'm so excited for you, that your daughter wants to be your assistant! first off.lol

A LOT of SAHB are not as fastidious as you are , ie: the many threads talking about animals sneaking chunks or whole cakes they leave on counters and tables!

It makes my skin crawl reading those threads!!! icon_surprised.gif and then they POST about it!! icon_redface.gif

I wish that I would've been able to bake and build up a customer base from home and then have the time to look for a space.

But as a recently graduated Pastry Chef, your hubby can tell you...you don't come into the kitchen as the "BOSS"...you come in as the low man on the toteem pole, evean as the ASSISTANT HEAD PASTRY CHEF!

in 4 days I worked 75 hours, in 2 weeks I lost 12 pounds! I'd come in (considered late) at 8 am and not leave before 10 pm and they would LOOK at me funny for leaving! lol

I realized this wasn't for me when we did an outdoor event in the middle of July and the dessert menu included, white chocolate banners and sherbert! Being close to 100 degrees a combo like that spelled disaster...they wouldn't let us go home...so we could help serve ( they figured many hands would keep everything from becoming soup!) all the while the Chef is SCREAMING at us a la Chef RAMSEY in HELL'S KITCHEN because we were ruining "HIS" dessert by not moving quickly enough...ugh!!!

That night...10 pm to be exact after getting there before 6 am to prepare for the event....I QUIT!!!!!!!!! icon_evil.gif
post #11 of 133
Alabama laws/regs are very similar to Florida.

I have a question: can you really get business-like cards printed with just your name and phone number to give to people? Would this fall under "advertising"?
For example, I took a cake in to the local High School for a friend of my Mom's. A lady there wanted my name and phone number and scurried around to find a pen and a piece of paper. Would being able to hand out a card be the same as someone writing it down for reference?
post #12 of 133
Yes, I get mine from vistaprint.com and they are cheap! thumbs_up.gif
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post #13 of 133
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Originally Posted by mjs4492

....I have a question: can you really get business-like cards printed with just your name and phone number to give to people? Would this fall under "advertising"?



In the "olden" days, these were known as calling cards. People would go to visit a friend and if the friend was not home, they would leave a calling card to let the friend know they had been there.
post #14 of 133
Calling cards, IMHO are not advertising, since they only have your name and number.

and it's an easy way to get your name and number out there, and easier to pull out of your pocket than a pen and paper when they ask you for the number.

and a nice way to get around that "NO ADVERT" rule! lol
post #15 of 133
I disagree about the calling card/business card...if you are handing out cards with your name and number and Telling people you do cakes - Then THAT is advertising. You just verbally sold yourself. So at that point - it doesn't matter weather you gave them a "calling card" or a business card.

If you are doing it - it is all illegal. So do it and hope not to get caught.

This is always a touchy subject. License bakers think it is unfair that home bakers get away with it since they took the time and investment to do it correctly.

And home bakers think its unfair that they can't bake from home and sell cakes.

So I say life is unfair in general - you can't make everyone happy - but you can make people sick. So follow the rules of safety and sanatation at least if you are baking from home.
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