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Originally Posted by ApplegumPam View Post

What is the definition of  SNARK?


 
According to the online dictionary:
Snark
—noun

a mysterious, imaginary animal.


Hmm. Not what I thought at all!
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"......a little flimflammery going on while my legs getting yanked & piddled on....."

 

Pam,

I'll answer that with the admission that I posted that on the troll website, and did not flag it, and joined in, and I'm taking a sabbatical from CC.com forum posting before I allow myself to get ugly to someone who is Not A TROLL.    I'm choosing to moderate myself.

 

As Mod#1 noted, "....So no, snark is not what I believe the purpose of Cake Central is, and is not how I've been moderating."

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post #243 of 340
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Originally Posted by ApplegumPam View Post
 

What is the definition of  SNARK?

 


Maybe somewhere in a post similar to ^^^ if the poster showed a laughing smiley we'd all understand the intent of the post. Instead, we are all left to wonder if that's joking or not. (NOT that I enjoy seeing those smiles all over the place, but using them does prevent miss-understandings.)

 

So I flag that post as being argumentative...........and hopefully the moderator pm's the poster and tells them "I get that you were joking, but others might think it was confrontational, could you put a smile on the end of your jokes in the future?":)

 

Is that a pain in the butt for the moderators, sure.....but in time.......ApplegumPam would add that smiley face and we'd all know what she meant and her comments wouldn't get flagged. And Walla things get a little better, bit by bit....

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OR people could view things with a much HAPPIER frame of mind ..... and ASSUME they were joking!

WHICH happens all the time with people in real life.

 

WHY...... when given two choices ....do people on the internet .... ALWAYS take it the mean the WORST??

A sense of humour is a wonderful thing  - without laughter, the world is a SUPER boring place

PS..... only smart people can read truly WITTY comments and chuckle instead of getting all miffed

Hero of all time - GODOT

 

 

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A sense of humour is a wonderful thing  - without laughter, the world is a SUPER boring place

PS..... only smart people can read truly WITTY comments and chuckle instead of getting all miffed

Hero of all time - GODOT

 

 

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I think a baby pool or a separate section for new beginners is an awesome idea. I have been doing cakes for just about a year and have been on the site for about the same amount of time. At night in bed I am constantly reading and checking out all the questions on the site learning ideas and tips and tricks. Looking at all the disasters hoping to learn from others' mistakes. I subscribe to Craftsy and learn what I can. I work out of my girlfriends shop and this summer I get to work with her during the wedding season. No amount of reading will prepare you for the actual thing. Sometimes at 2 AM when nothing is working and you're frustrated and you search and search the Internet it's nice just to ask the question and see what answers come back. I have been able to find almost every single answer to any question that I have had on the site by searching and there have been a few kind more experienced decorators that have taken the time to answer my questions. I value my time and respect everyone else's. If you can't find the answer to your question on this forum then you're not looking properly.

It was my understanding that Cake Central is like the hub of all cake decorating whether your new, a homemaker or a business owner or have been in it for 25 years. I don't ask many questions for fear of backlash from the more experienced decorators - but I don't think it's their fault. This industry is getting diluted with at home bakers that are doing cakes for a fraction of what a bakery does - but they come on here asking these girls for help!! I see the frustration growing and I see their point. I'm not an expert...but something's gotta give with some of the newbies!!! There are times that I wish I could reach through the computer screen.

Newbies need to take the time and do their research, if you can't find it then ask....the more experienced need to be a bit more patient with LEGITAMATE questions. Or simply leave the thread before you get frustrated.

I live in a smaller community in Alberta, Canada and we do not have the talent that is on this forum..if I could spend a month in Yuma I would. I am greatful that there are so many that are willing to share their talent and techniques with me and hope to repay that back one day. AZ Couture and From Scratch SF thank you for your generosity!!!
post #246 of 340
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Originally Posted by morganchampagne View Post

I dont know...I get what you're saying. But that sounds like baby sitting to me, and I don't really think it's fair to ask moderators to be on watch like that. People have to know that you can't be overly sensitive. Having moderators be go betweens doesn't fix people.

Exactly! Thre's a thread now that will obviously go south fast because someone decided that a comment that was made to clarify something was intended as a slap on the wrist for them. It wasn't intended that way at all but if people are looking for it they'll see it where it doesn't exist.

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Originally Posted by costumeczar View Post
 

Exactly! Thre's a thread now that will obviously go south fast because someone decided that a comment that was made to clarify something was intended as a slap on the wrist for them. It wasn't intended that way at all but if people are looking for it they'll see it where it doesn't exist.


I disagree completely. No one will know that a moderator spoke to someone in private and coached them along. That has to happen at times because we can't see each others faces to understand what's kidding and what's not. There is no other way to prevent miss-understandings...........and what's so darn bad with trying to help people write/communicate better? One person see's it as policing and the other see's it as educating. But when done behind the scenes no one knows it's happening. How's it really any different than policing people to get thick skin. Each directs people to an action. One action seems more helpful to me than the other.

 

Or a moderator who see's the comment "what exactly is a snark?" jumps in thread and says "hey ____, you've feeling pretty funny today". That sets a tone and buys people who don't understand that remark a clue to the intent.

 

We live in a policed world............people act as if someone dropping them a hint that their post was mean is hurtful/harming/policing. I'd rather see that than the craziness that happens with no one moderating.

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I disagree completely. No one will know that a moderator spoke to someone in private and coached them along. That has to happen at times because we can't see each others faces to understand what's kidding and what's not. There is no other way to prevent miss-understandings...........and what's so darn bad with trying to help people write/communicate better? One person see's it as policing and the other see's it as educating. But when done behind the scenes no one knows it's happening. How's it really any different than policing people to get thick skin. Each directs people to an action. One action seems more helpful to me than the other.

The point I was agreeing with is that unpaid, volunteer moderators shouldn't be expected to also be "tone coaches" for people who are looking to be offended. The thread I mentioned was a prime example. Someone suggested something and someone else pointed out that the OP had already mentioned that she had tried that. Instead of saying "oops, i missed that she had tried it already" the response made it clear that she felt she was being accused of offending people for saying it. Not the case at all. If moderators have to monitor that kind of thing too you'll end up with zero moderators. It's asking too much to ask them to train the easily offended to not be easily offended.
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Originally Posted by costumeczar View Post

Exactly! Thre's a thread now that will obviously go south fast because someone decided that a comment that was made to clarify something was intended as a slap on the wrist for them. It wasn't intended that way at all but if people are looking for it they'll see it where it doesn't exist.
And I think it's quite obvious that there are a few who look for exactly that. I feel bad for people who are so angry. Lighten up. This is the same internet that millions of people manage to navigate on a daily basis without something offending their delicate senses.
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post #251 of 340
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Originally Posted by tdcakester85 View Post

My previous post won't make any sense, as 95% was deleted.
Just keep up the good work. With all the other suggestions, I'm sure it will work itself out. As a newbie to cake central, myself...I've never felt less like contributing again after taking time to give suggestions only to have it deleted. I usually never respond out of fear of judgement or ridicule... I'm probably too sensitive(since I should be asleep:-). But mod2 and Enga gave great advice as to solutions to make newbies feel more welcome. I've learned so much from what everyone has contributed by way of articles, tutorials, the blog and the magazine...so I guess this is an off-topic thanks to you all.

Hi tdcakester85 after I quoted your reply I could see your post. I thought many of your suggestions were insightful and could be very useful.  I would love to see a lot of them come into fruition especially "the world map". But like you said "in a perfect world".

 "So find what YOU like best and make it your own! After all, It’s YOUR sandbox, I Just PLAY in it."

 

 Gretchen Price

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 "So find what YOU like best and make it your own! After all, It’s YOUR sandbox, I Just PLAY in it."

 

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post #252 of 340
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Originally Posted by ApplegumPam View Post
 

What is the definition of  SNARK?

 

one definition from the urban dictionary

 

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verbal ingenuineness that is brief, subtle, yet quite stabbing. snark is often marked by deep creativity & use of psychological attack. It employs coldbloodedness and is best served unprovoked. Snark can contain hidden complimentary meaning under a mean face, but it hurts more than it strengthens. 
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but it hurts more than it strengthens

 

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Originally Posted by ApplegumPam View Post
 

OR people could view things with a much HAPPIER frame of mind ..... and ASSUME they were joking!WHICH happens all the time with people in real life.

 

WHY...... when given two choices ....do people on the internet .... ALWAYS take it the mean the WORST??

 

since we "ALWAYS take it to mean the WORST..."  then how about we go with the flow of human nature and realize when we snark, enjoy, applaud, encourage, celebrate sarcasm and snarkiness (and i've done it too) we are going in the wrong direction--this not to be confused with differences of opinions--please do not throw the 'difference of opinion' card--tu--also pls do not throw the 'i am giving a scathing critique and they should lay still while i flay and make fun of them to the delight of my buddies' card--tu

 

i was on a cake forum of long ago where everytime you posted you gotta reminder to be sure your post was within bounds and not containing attacks and innuendo, to be sure you were careful of the feelings of those you were addressing--to delay your post and re-read in a few minutes to see how it really reads -- i think it was also a permanent ps at the bottom of every reply field--good idea--i think drafts of posts were automatically delayed and you had to come back in a few and submit them if memory serves--

 

or we can continue like this--in hopeless disrespectful confusion: http://cakecentral.com/t/760403/need-help-on-pricing-please-dont-want-to-underprice

 

if snarkiness is vital to your forum experience you can have private message groups for that--just put a semi colon in between names to send to more than one--

 

cottage law is tossing more and more green peeps out there into the big bad cake world--the more we get through here in one piece with the truth the better it is for all of us--

 

favorite slogan "you sweet talker, Betty Crocker"

 

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post #253 of 340

Great post K8

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Originally Posted by ApplegumPam View Post
 

The day that funny, witty, heck even SNARKY comments, such as those made regularly by Godot, become something to be frowned upon will be a SAD SAD day for CC.

This swing to ... 'wrapping everybody's feelings in cotton wool'  is NOT something unique to CC - it has become a problem in everyday life - it is a global epidemic.

People have no resilience any more - everything is called BULLYING - when in fact it is often merely a different viewpoint or a different personality.

Kids today are ALL winners - nobody is a loser - nobody produces crap work - everybody is praised ... for ANYTHING!! 

They receive medals for just being part of the team - there is little and sometimes NO reference to scores (in junior games now there are no wiiners or losers)


ALL of this adds up to a generation of people who aren't used to people not thinking they are the bees knees and everything they ask for they should receive ... with a side order of fairy floss. 

 

People over 50......   have a real problem ... trying to fit this mould!!!  We lived a much less 'protected' life   LOL

Does that make us WRONG?  

Every member brings along their OWN personal baggage.... which makes THEM react the way they do

Instead of this whole concentrated effort to make everything 'NICE' - why can't there be a line drawn mid-point ?    where those super sensitive, ALWAYS the victims actually take a cup a cement and a glass of water and toughen up.  AND let EACH person fight their OWN battles.

Most of the drama is caused by a handful of people who want to play vigilante cop - jumping to the defence of people, who probably didn't even think it was a problem.


PS.... Did I say I LOVE Godot ?
 

 

👏 I agree,I don't think anyone means to say anything hurtful but people are way too sensitive. 

 

P.S I too love Godot💜

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