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post #16 of 72
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Originally Posted by enga View Post
 

Why, because you feel like they are pro CFL?

 

I don't feel like they are, they actually are.  From the sounds of that paragraph, they are taking a black and white issue (operating legally/illegally) and trying to make it an issue full of gray areas.  For example, saying that cottage food businesses are forced to operate "under the table" because of "the very high barrier to entry" to traditional food surface operations is just making excuses.  Also, saying that you can try to turn them in, but most health inspectors are overworked, and probably won't do anything about it . . .  what kind of b.s. is that?

 

I live in one of the most liberal cottage food law states there is - Iowa.  There are virtually no barriers to entry.  So I am not against the CFL, but trying to sweep all cottage food providers under the same rug, whether they are properly licensed or not, isn't the right tact to take.  And cottagefoods.org should not be characterizing legal cottage food producers as "being forced to operate under the table" - talk about insulting if you are legally operating under a cottage food law.

 

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post #17 of 72

I wasn't really sure they had an agenda except to explain the laws and how they apply to different states.

 

I just wanted on honest answer as to why some CC members are so averse to the idea of people starting a business under the CFL.

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post #18 of 72
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Originally Posted by enga View Post
 

I wasn't really sure they had an agenda except to explain the laws and how they apply to different states.

 

I just wanted on honest answer as to why some CC members are so averse to the idea of people starting a business under the CFL.

 

There is nothing inherently wrong with cottage food laws - letting more people compete with less government intervention is a very good thing.  I think the problem most on CC have is that many people don't even bother complying with the very basic requirements of the CFL - those are the "under the table" operators.  The other large problem is with those people who don't want to price their products in their own best interest - undercharging, etc.  They wreak havoc on the industry as a whole, by devaluing the products they sell.  That is where the contention lies.

 

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post #19 of 72
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Originally Posted by enga View Post
 

Why, because you feel like they are pro CFL?

 

I don't feel like they are, they actually are.  From the sounds of that paragraph, they are taking a black and white issue (operating legally/illegally) and trying to make it an issue full of gray areas.  For example, saying that cottage food businesses are forced to operate "under the table" because of "the very high barrier to entry" to traditional food surface operations is just making excuses.  Also, saying that you can try to turn them in, but most health inspectors are overworked, and probably won't do anything about it . . .  what kind of b.s. is that?

 

I live in one of the most liberal cottage food law states there is - Iowa.  There are virtually no barriers to entry.  So I am not against the CFL, but trying to sweep all cottage food providers under the same rug, whether they are properly licensed or not, isn't the right tact to take.  And cottagefoods.org should not be characterizing legal cottage food producers as "being forced to operate under the table" - talk about insulting if you are legally operating under a cottage food law.

 

Liz

I think they meant it forces illegal producers to work under the table.

 

An operation like this is extremely common. In fact, this is part of the reason cottage food laws have been created, since the main food laws (with their very high barrier to entry) are forcing so many producers under the table.

 

(with their very high barrier to entry) Not being able to rent a commercial kitchen or pay to have their home converted into a commercial kitchen.
 

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post #20 of 72
interesting i have a completely different take on it--
 
i think cottage food laws prevent peeps from getting turned in--like pot in colorado--but not in all states 'cause not all states and all areas of those states allow it--
 
i've said this before--we had several cakers turned in by another caker here in memphis several years ago and the cake community turned against the ones who reported it--our health department was not pleased with that having happened either--also fwiw the reporter and and one of the reportees were family
 
i know some of us here often promote turning peeps in usually for business reasons but i would not for several reasons--no offense to anyone for my views--i think it's the health department's job to keep our food stuff as safe as possible--so i don't think that them taking time to oust illegals to benefit the business community is their purview--if the food is unsafe yes call quick--but to eliminate undercutting and those diluting sales--no i don't think so myself--and for me i'm not interested in being any part of the food police life is hard enough--i'd rather make pretty cakes

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post #21 of 72

I'm not trying to start an argument, I found this link to find out exactly how the laws apply to different states. The wording might sound biased but I didn't post it because of that. I posted it because I wanted people to think about why they are turning people in.  Is it business or is it personal?

 

The market is saturated, it has been for a long time. Everybody is scraping to make ends meet, so a stay at home mom from any town USA wants to sell cakes on the side for extra money and happens to live in a state with a CFL should be made to feel bad because of a few undercutting bad apples isn't right either.

 

Most of us on this site suffer from the cake decorating bug and dream of owning our own cake business. Some of you have made very successful businesses out of your passions, some have not, and for some it remains to be just a hobby. Just because some of you were successful doesn't give you the right to tell someone else they cant if they don't do it your way. Everyone cant afford to do it your way.

 

I have read a lot of your stories in past threads. Some of you came from very humble beginnings and struggled being single moms, divorcees, widowers and so on. I know starting out your businesses was not easy and you fought an uphill battle to get to where you are today. But just because it was hard for you doesn't mean you have to make it hard for someone else.

 

I'm glad they are passing these laws so that some mothers out there who are suffering financially who don't have any other skill except cake decorating and baking can maybe start her own business without going through the hoops that I had to go through.


Edited by enga - 1/25/14 at 1:07pm

“I'm a self taught baker who started out with no money, no business plan or PR and no intentions of having a business; it has been a very organic growth.”

 

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post #22 of 72

The issues I have with illegal bakers is them not 'paying to play' like everyone else does. They don't pay sales tax or income tax on their earnings. They don't support/stimulate the economy by creating jobs, leasing property, buying equipment, etc... MANY, many industries have "barriers" of start-up costs much higher than food businesses. The food business entry costs are very low compared to other industries.

 

There are other things people can do to make money that aren't illegal. Do you understand those issues enga? Do you really think it's o.k. for some people to cheat? 

post #23 of 72

i think enga was asking about what is the underlying reason behind why some of us cakers want to turn people in not the qualifying reasons for doing so--i think she means why would a baker, cake artist have the desire to turn someone in--i might be wrong but i think that's what she means--

 

of course it's not ok to cheat but there's a big difference between knowing it's there and turning peeps in for cheating --

 

but where cottage laws are in effect it's harder to turn someone in yes?

 

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if you had your own tv show what would be your favorite commercial/sponsor

i think i'd like ghirardelli and hershey for starters...

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if you had your own tv show what would be your favorite commercial/sponsor

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post #24 of 72

I did understand her k8 and that's what would drive me to turning someone in. I get sick and tired of everyone cheating on everything. It hurts everyone! It raises the costs for the people who do pay for things in life.

 

I think people that will cheat on a big issue (being legal) will cheat on plenty of other big issues and it cumulatively really hurts our society. Those types of people never want to accept responsibility for their own actions and always have a personal excuse why they are the exception to life's rules.

 

Act responsibly.... people do get sick and die from food. Be a licensed business and pay taxes just like everyone else, have insurance, have your food handlers permit, etc... stop hiding behind excuses.

post #25 of 72

^^^^^^^^  This.

There. Their. They're not the same.

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There. Their. They're not the same.

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post #26 of 72
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Originally Posted by Godot View Post

Report the illegals.

I believe the PC term is 'undocumented cakers"

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post #27 of 72
Wow.

I personally wouldn't report anyone for the sole reason in too busy. Ever been on hold with DHEC?!!

However I'm am floored that someone would condone ANY illegal activity. Sure, we empathize with struggles or reasons. There is simply no excuse for breaking the law.

An example: oh I know she sells crack cocaine, but that's only because it's so hard to become a pharmacist. Besides, it costs so much to lease the space for a drugstore. She has children to feed and times are tough.

I know that is a huge exaggeration. I picked it to prove a point.

If you can't operate legally, wait until you can!

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It's never "just cake!"

 

You may get a cake for $way to little but you won't get this cake!

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post #28 of 72

I could care less about the business end of illegals in regards to how it affects my business. I have reported people, and will continue to do so.


Are they competition for me? no, we have a totally different market.

Are they driving prices down? Probably, but getting a CFL probably isn't going to change that.

 

I care about the fact that they are following NO guidelines, they have not been held up to any standards of health or hygiene, they haven't taken food safety or handling.

I've reported 3 local 'bakers' for selling baked goods, because they have indoor cats.

That is revolting and irresponsible.

 

I can't believe this is even a topic to be honest. It's a law. The sense of entitlement and 'special snowflake' mentality these days ticks me off. You don't get to circumvent laws without repercussion.

post #29 of 72

DD for president!

post #30 of 72

Heck, if you don't want to turn them in to the health department, turn them in to the department of taxation for not collecting sales tax.

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