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post #46 of 201

Thank you Liz, I just stocked up from my supplier before the big ban occurrs, I am just upset about this as this is my tried n true recipe I love. I am not sure what everyone is going to do about the fondant with all the trans fats either..

 

Its so funny the FDA is banning this, but promoted GMO- food. ahahah its laughable, I wont even get started on the effects of that as I would be on here all day, and I have a masters in public health so I am well educated on food health, lol.

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post #47 of 201

 Rectangular loaves of bread were also a dining car invention: they could be packed into the tight space of a dining car kitchen with less wasted space.

hbquikcomjamesl:  that's why they are called 'PULLMAN' loaves, pans with the lids to make a square loaf of bread that could be stacked in the kitchen train shelves.  woohoo I love history tidbits like that.

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post #48 of 201
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Originally Posted by shannycakers View Post
 

Thank you Liz, I just stocked up from my supplier before the big ban occurrs, I am just upset about this as this is my tried n true recipe I love. I am not sure what everyone is going to do about the fondant with all the trans fats either..

 

Its so funny the FDA is banning this, but promoted GMO- food. ahahah its laughable, I wont even get started on the effects of that as I would be on here all day, and I have a masters in public health so I am well educated on food health, lol.

shannycakers:   You're right. Sorry I got OT there. and I was only thinking about my buttercream with High Ratio Shortening. YesThe fondant does need the saturated solid white fat also and if the new fat stuff is inconsistent and highly heat sensitive, then Fondant will be affected also.

 

{ps: You know that the FDA washintonian federalies don't really care about health (as you well understand from your education) they care about money and power and control of big business. They use the term health to cover their actual motive & activities such as lining their pockets with big business cash and to make it palatable to the masses.}   but we who can't do a dang thing about it are Still stuck with the muck they create and force us to live with.

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post #49 of 201

shannycakers, I'll have to look at the ingredient list to see what fat is used in the icing I was talking about.  Given that it's temperamental, I'm betting it's either the fat itself or whatever else is added to it.

post #50 of 201

Leave it to our illustrious nanny government and knee-jerk Health Department to decide what you will and will not eat.  They know what's best for everyone after all! 

 

You know you can force people to eat organic vegetables and exercise all day long and some will still be fat,  and some will die of cancer and some will still have heart disease.  Linda McCartney, famous vegan who died of breast cancer comes to mind as well as the acclaimed runner Jim Fixx who died of a heart attack while running.  We don't get out of this alive!

 

Why not just let the FDA come up with packaged meals that only contain what is allowed by law to be deemed 'healthy'...and distribute those to everyone in the country so we don't have to worry about what we're consuming!  We won't have to think...or cook, or use our taste buds...we'll just know what's good for us and eat it!  We'll all never get sick and live forever, right!

 

Am I an advocate for all trans-fats?  Not really...but I am against FORCING an entire industry to change based solely on the studies-du-jour that claim we're all going to die.  if you remember 30 years ago, trans-fats were introduced as a 'healthy' alternative to fats like that pesky coconut oil!  My have times have changed.  I'm so sick of this 'first- it's-bad-then- it's- good' flip-flop philosophy.

 

All this sadly reminds me of my mother in law who was dying of lung cancer.  She was laying in her bed, in obviously her last days and I asked her if there were anything she really wanted to eat besides the crap the hospital was giving her.  She looked at me and said 'Oh...I'd love a chocolate malt!"  so I told her I was on my way to get one for her when she stopped me and said..'Oh no...don't.  My doctor told me I'm not supposed to eat chocolate."     Really?  Was it really going to make a difference at that point?  The fact that she could have enjoyed something sweet was overridden by the fear of doing something the doctor said was 'not good' for her.  She died two days later.

 

The problem with all these so-called good intentions is that no one knows when or where it will stop.  I live in a country that is supposed to be about freedom of choice...now it's more and more about the freedom to choose based on who decides what choices you are allowed to make-- based on scientific studies that may change with the wind.  I find that a bit scary.

If I am ever on life support, unplug me...

Then plug me back in.  See if that works!

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post #51 of 201
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Originally Posted by shannycakers View Post

I do not consider that enough of a poll to determine whether I am going to purchase 50 pounds of Sweetex Z... which is expensive when 2 people are saying its temperamental and gloppy occasionally..

Unfortunately no amount of "polls" will help you since everyone has a different recipe and a different process. I recommend contacting your current supplier and explaining the situation, then see if you can purchase a smaller amount as a trial or inquire about the return policy. Even if you can't, ZTF is the new reality in the US so your choices are to either use ZTF shortening or remove shortening from the recipe entirely.
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additionally, is everyone forgetting that fondant has trans-fats also in it...

Satin Ice fondant does not have trans fats. Fondx does, but they have a ZTF version called Fondx Zero, so just as with shortening any fondant that had trans fats will likely be phased out and replaced by the ZTF formulation.
post #52 of 201
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based on scientific studies that may change with the wind. 

The results from scientific studies change over time due to advancements in the understanding of how the human body handles food and improvements in testing methodologies.

Personally I would much rather regulatory agencies change opinions based on new information instead of sticking to a discredited view just to avoid "flip flopping".

I do agree that there are better solutions to banning trans fats entirely...for example, a tax could be imposed on all foods containing trans fats to compensate for increased health care costs, and a "contains trans fat" black box warning (similar to those used on pharmaceuticals) could be prominently displayed on the front of the package in large letters.
post #53 of 201

"You know you can force people to eat organic vegetables and exercise all day long and some will still be fat,  and some will die of cancer and some will still have heart disease.  Linda McCartney, famous vegan who died of breast cancer comes to mind as well as the acclaimed runner Jim Fixx who died of a heart attack while running.  We don't get out of this alive!"  That's right Carmijok!

 

Don't forget about Steve Jobs and his vegan diet, supposedly to help him from getting cancer…

 

Many health issues are due to heredity…my grandfather lived to 94 and he ate all kinds of trans fats and was exposed to all kinds of chemicals.  (My grandmother was a fabulous cook!)  In our family, cholesterol is naturally low as is blood pressure.  I still try to watch what I eat but trans fats don't scare me. Also, I don't want to live to be 100, I won't be able to afford it…:-D 

post #54 of 201
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Leave it to our illustrious nanny government and knee-jerk Health Department to decide what you will and will not eat.  They know what's best for everyone after all! 

 

You know you can force people to eat organic vegetables and exercise all day long and some will still be fat,  and some will die of cancer and some will still have heart disease.  Linda McCartney, famous vegan who died of breast cancer comes to mind as well as the acclaimed runner Jim Fixx who died of a heart attack while running.  We don't get out of this alive!

 

Why not just let the FDA come up with packaged meals that only contain what is allowed by law to be deemed 'healthy'...and distribute those to everyone in the country so we don't have to worry about what we're consuming!  We won't have to think...or cook, or use our taste buds...we'll just know what's good for us and eat it!  We'll all never get sick and live forever, right!

 

Am I an advocate for all trans-fats?  Not really...but I am against FORCING an entire industry to change based solely on the studies-du-jour that claim we're all going to die.  if you remember 30 years ago, trans-fats were introduced as a 'healthy' alternative to fats like that pesky coconut oil!  My have times have changed.  I'm so sick of this 'first- it's-bad-then- it's- good' flip-flop philosophy.

 

All this sadly reminds me of my mother in law who was dying of lung cancer.  She was laying in her bed, in obviously her last days and I asked her if there were anything she really wanted to eat besides the crap the hospital was giving her.  She looked at me and said 'Oh...I'd love a chocolate malt!"  so I told her I was on my way to get one for her when she stopped me and said..'Oh no...don't.  My doctor told me I'm not supposed to eat chocolate."     Really?  Was it really going to make a difference at that point?  The fact that she could have enjoyed something sweet was overridden by the fear of doing something the doctor said was 'not good' for her.  She died two days later.

 

The problem with all these so-called good intentions is that no one knows when or where it will stop.  I live in a country that is supposed to be about freedom of choice...now it's more and more about the freedom to choose based on who decides what choices you are allowed to make-- based on scientific studies that may change with the wind.  I find that a bit scary.

 

i got me & mom some of our favorite doughnuts a coupla weeks before she passed--she wasn't supposed to have sugar--she wasn't diabetic though--my brother got a little upset w/me but i'm really glad i did that--

 

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and i think coconut oil is an especially significant example because planets would veer off course and the oceans would dry up if we continued to pop popcorn with it--it was doomsday and all for popping corn--srsly?

 

of course science changes--but it's the way we handle it as if it is earth shattering unless we change hard and fast and do penance that is most annoying to me

my cookies are prettier than your cookies because this is the second time i substituted my opalescent sanding sugar when i ran out of sugar to make the batch ha!

 

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my cookies are prettier than your cookies because this is the second time i substituted my opalescent sanding sugar when i ran out of sugar to make the batch ha!

 

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post #55 of 201

I read the articles posted in the original post.  It recommends Butter and lard as they don't have artificial trans fats.  Butter and lard was shunned decades ago as BAD.

 

The circle completes itself like the snake eating it's own tail.

 

  • hydrogenated oil was supposed to be a healthy  replacement for lard. ( fat from a cows butt.)
  • margarine was the cheaper healthier version of butter.
  • Palm Kernel Oil and Coconut oil (solid at room temp) the miracle grease for commercial industrial bakeries.
  • cotton seed oil......better than butter.  (Sure let's eat our socks and pretend it's healthy.)

 

This- like everything else the Federalies do, is about Money.  They got their palms greased with greenbacks when they outlawed butter and lard demanding trans fats get used.

They'll get their pockets lined with gold again when they outlaw the trans-fats and demand something else is used.

 

If this wasn't the case they would simply Publish their findings based on their current scientific studies and let the buyer beware & decide for themselves what to buy and what to eat.

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post #56 of 201
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This- like everything else the Federalies do, is about Money. 

Can you explain how banning trans fats is in the best interest of any commercial organization? If money really was the main driver, one would expect the food industry lobby to quickly quash any talk of a trans fat ban.
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They got their palms greased with greenbacks when they outlawed butter and lard demanding trans fats get used.

Butter and lard were never outlawed. Trans fats are being banned because according to studies they are not OK even in moderation. Butter and lard are fine in moderation.
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If this wasn't the case they would simply Publish their findings based on their current scientific studies and let the buyer beware & decide for themselves what to buy and what to eat.

Unfortunately the majority of consumers don't even read ingredient labels, much less do research on scientific studies to determine what is safe and what is not safe. Aside from a prominent warning on the package or artificially increasing the cost of trans fat items there's not much else the FDA can do to protect people besides banning the unsafe ingredient.
post #57 of 201

"United States Food and Drug Administration could ban shortening with trans fats in the United States"   US FDA:  a federal agency responsible for monitoring trading and safety standards in the food and drug industries.

 

so you do know about how Washinton D.C. Lobby's work as you mentioned it in your above post. So you understand perfectly how government, Big Corporations and their lobbyist work. grease & pork.

 

First you comment that you don't think they should stop selling it, just TAX it  and label it.

Then you flip flop and say that people are too stupid and won't read the labels so it must be banned.  flip-flop.

 

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." -
  --  C.S. Lewis

 

(IMO - in my opinion- means exactly that) believe as you wish.  For those of us who are stuck with whatever the Washingtonian Federalies make the New Rule for today, we will IMPROVISE, ADAPT AND OVERCOME.  as well as SEMPER PARATUS.

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post #58 of 201
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First you comment that you don't think they should stop selling it, just TAX it  and label it.
Then you flip flop and say that people are too stupid and won't read the labels so it must be banned.  flip-flop.

I said "Aside from a prominent warning on the package or artificially increasing the cost of trans fat items there's not much else the FDA can do to protect people besides banning the unsafe ingredient." My position has not changed as I still believe the first two options are preferable, but for whatever reason the choice was made to implement a ban. It's not what I would have done, but it's better than doing nothing.

I'm still not sure how "grease and pork" figure in to a regulatory decision that is so detrimental to so many powerful manufacturers in the food industry.

Nor do I agree that an agency responsible for regulating unsafe food doing its job is equivalent to "tyranny". You could use the same argument to argue away virtually any regulation since by definition it would be "for our own good".
Edited by jason_kraft - 11/8/13 at 10:23pm
post #59 of 201

I'm not especially crazy about living in a "nanny state" sort of thing with the government telling us what to/not to eat, but given that 1) the obesity levels of young people as of late is exploding; 2) most of the general public DOES NOT read labels; and 3) a widely-used type of fat has been shown to cause more damage (read obesity and other health issues, which means health insurance premiums keep rising), than good, I can understand the FDA getting involved.

 

And yeah, maybe some people have inherited inherited great genes.  Unfortunately that's not the case across the board.  My family is a perfect example, and so far :knocks wood:  their issues have seem to be eluding me,   For all I know, though, I could be contributing to my own ultimate demise every time I eat something that has something processed to it.

 

From a cake standpoint, though, this could very well matter somewhere down the line.  It's true that a lot of shortening products are no longer made with trans fats, but I'm willing to bet that there are more still being made with them.  My guess is that most of those are of the Sweetex or other commercial-only variety.  My greater fear is that the manufacturers will find something else that's worse for you, healthwise, and make that its new standard because it'll be cheaper to manufacture.  On a greater scale, that's what it's all about.

post #60 of 201
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additionally, is everyone forgetting that fondant has trans-fats also in it...

I make my own and it doesn't have trans fats.
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