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post #61 of 123
I've been following this thread. Anna is a straight shooter. Smart a$$ and all icon_biggrin.gif
Your cakes are wonderful. If this is something you love, or just want a bit of extra money, get legal & sell those suckers for a good price. There is a good possibility that you're going to get very taken advantage of in the future. I would nicely insist on getting the third party's information to discuss/confirm/get deposits/sign contracts/& deliver cakes from now on.
post #62 of 123
Thread Starter 
Annabakes I just saw all your cakes and you do great work! I don't give false praise either. I am in awe that you have done thousands of cakes. Hope I get there someday. Is that your little guy in your avatar pic? He reminds me of my boy quite a bit. I will pm you a photo if you're curious . There is def. a resemblance.
post #63 of 123

Annabakes, your cakes are awesome! I have to agree with some people here, that your hairdresser is passing off your cakes as her own. Has there ever been a customer that was not happy or has all the feedback been positive. If there was a negative response who does she say made the cake?  This situation probably started out innocently but has now grown to the point you are questioning it. Your gut feeling is never usually wrong, and yes it is an awkward situation but start posting your pictures. If she is claiming them as her own, that situation will definitely change pretty quickly. Good Luck.

post #64 of 123

Oh stop with the humbleness! These are GREAT! Silly wabbit

 

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 Sorry for all the grainy cell pics...

Oh stop with the humbleness! These are GREAT! Silly wabbit

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 My second fondant cake for my daughter. Now I cringe at the rounded corners...

 This Toy Story Cake was my first fondant cake and I made tons of mistakes, including using non crusting buttercream under fondant and  not using cutters for the letters. Sloppy but my kid loved it!

post #65 of 123
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I'd be concerned about liability too if she is reselling them,and if you do decide to get legal I really would reconsider this arrangement once you have a business up and running. If I were you I'd just put a sticker on the box when you deliver the next cake, somewhere that she's going to see it but not be able to remove it easily, and see if she says anything. You can just say you're trying them out if she asks. Maybe she has a lot of family and she likes to always give the cake as her gift. Who knows!

I don't see how she could be in any way legally liable. She is not in the cake business. As a matter of fact she has mostly done cakes only for this woman. Putting labels on and such makes it seem like she is running an illegal cake business and makes her MORE liable IMO....If a bake a cake for a co-worker and they turn around and sell it they are the ones breaking the food laws. Not me.

post #66 of 123

Like others I have been following this, and it all seems a bit odd! I would just ask her more questions about orders and maybe the next one, insist that you need to deliver it to the venue and set it up as it is not able to be assembled before travel. That way you have to meet the people who's event/party it is. 

I don't think you shouldn't assume she is doing it until you are sure, but in saying that I don't think that having your hair done is worth having someone passing your cakes off as their own. Your cakes are awsome and I can see why she would do it if she is starting out and isn't that great. 

You have the talent to have a business out of these, I say go for it, and while your at it, create a facebook page where you put all your cakes, then word might get round and people in your area might see that they are your cakes not hers. 

post #67 of 123

Ok, it's the dawning of a new day and I thought I'd feel more charitable towards the hairdresser but I don't.  She's up to something.  She found a way to earn either praise, customers or extra money by pirating your cakes for profit.  She might be a great hairdresser but I do feel that she's scamming you and you need to disengage yourself from her.  The next time she needs a cake...........................please be too busy that week to do it.  Not everyone is a scammer but when you add it all up and get "that feeling" in the pit of your stomach - do what your Momma always told you to do when "that feeling" comes over you...............trust your gut and run.

post #68 of 123
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Like others I have been following this, and it all seems a bit odd! I would just ask her more questions about orders and maybe the next one, insist that you need to deliver it to the venue and set it up as it is not able to be assembled before travel. That way you have to meet the people who's event/party it is. 

I don't think you shouldn't assume she is doing it until you are sure, but in saying that I don't think that having your hair done is worth having someone passing your cakes off as their own. Your cakes are awsome and I can see why she would do it if she is starting out and isn't that great. 

You have the talent to have a business out of these, I say go for it, and while your at it, create a facebook page where you put all your cakes, then word might get round and people in your area might see that they are your cakes not hers. 

 

 

I am not sure how it is in Australia but here there is a lot more to starting a business than putting up a FB page. You have to have a certified kitchen, licenses, insurance (not required but necessary), a pricing structure, be diligent in book keeping and setting up a tax account. Are you going to be a Corporation or a pass through entity? The list goes on...... Plus I believe she said she already works 45 hours a week and has children. A good cut and color can be very expensive....and she has a great style. OP...if you want to start a business go for it!!!! You certainly have the talent. Although not everyone who has talent has good business sense....not saying you don't! but many talented businesses fail because they don't have the ability or passion for the other aspects. Case in point..my daughter worked for a design firm. They had more clients than they could handle and gave her one client as her own at $36/hr. She didn't track hours, do billing or follow up. He got a lot of work for free. Luckily she matured and married a man with business sense and they are very successful now. If you are happy with this arrangement then keep it. I think you are getting good value for your cakes. I have friends who spend tons on their hair...highlights, lowlights, all over color, touch ups, cutting and styling. My hair is a mop because I can't afford it so I would love this arrangement. Just like anyone can "bake a cake" anyone can do hair. But very few can do either really well.

post #69 of 123
Ok now that I've seen your cakes.
1. Wow they are awesome! You should starts making cakes on the side
And make money to pay you hairdresser.
Some things to think about..
2. Don't you think it's odd that when your credit
Runs out she magically has an event that needs a cake?
3. Maybe she is just doing it for family but then I keep thinking
About #2
4. Maybe she LOVES all the praise and that's why she is
Selling your cakes. She doesn't want to start a business she
Just loves the attention. At some point this will bite her in the butt.
5. If she is showing you what she wants on the cake in more than a
Theme then to me she is reselling. She's just passing on the clients wishes
To you!
6. You could like others have said just say you're busy the next time she asks
But she probably isn't telling them yes on a cake till she gets your
Approval so I don't think that would slow her down.

Again I'd just say you are "thinking of starting a business" because you are!
Too much talent to waste, and ask if she could help you? See her expression and the direction
The conversation goes.
post #70 of 123
I am going to put my 2 cents in and disagree here. Sorry. I'm not an expert cake maker but I still practise making cakes and give them to my mum. I am currently on a diet so I'm off eating cake for the minute. (Yes its extremely hard, I LOVE anything sweet.) Because she is my mum I obviously do not charge her. I'm not tight fisted but I wouldn't make cakes to get me experience for friends unless it was their birthday. However, I would bake them for friends if they offered me cost of ingredients and gas. I wouldn't want money for my time. That's just me. I know you said you get hair done for cake making and that's cool! If the cake is for her! I completely understand what you're saying about finding that one person who can do your hair just how you like it.

Look at it from this point of view, she clearly isn't giving these cakes to her friends, when I say friends, I mean friends not clients! Her friends would know she hasn't baked them. If she is giving them to friends, I bet she is saying, 'hey, I know a woman who bakes cake, I can get discount, let me know what it is you want and I place an order with her!' She then probably takes her friends money, which is rightfully yours! On the other hand, would you take a cake from someone and not offer them anything for it? I wouldn't, it would make me feel bad for not offering at least ingredient money.

If it was me, I would say that you're going into business so you will pay for your hair to be done from now on and if her 'friends' want cakes making that she passes your details to them as you would like to get a list of customers.
I'm not saying that's what you should do, that is just personally what I would do as I feel she is mugging you off!

If she had any respect for you, she would comply with that. Anyway, that's just my opinion. Hope you manage to do what's right for you, and good luck if you decide to set a business up. icon_smile.gif
post #71 of 123
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1. Wow they are awesome! You should starts making cakes on the side
And make money to pay you hairdresser.
Some things to think about..
 

Still requires a business license, health cert for the kitchen, doing taxes...not required but a good idea: Insurance, setting the business up as a separate entity. While insurance and incorporating are NOT required would it be worth it to lose your family home or other assets in today's litigious society? Not trying to discourage you but you have to look at all angles. How many cakes can you make with a full time job and children? Will it be enough to 1) offset the costs of doing business 2) make up the value you are currently receiving from your hairdresser? 3. Be worth the time taken away from  the family? Do you think you could get enough business to do it full time? Your work is certainly good enough but we have no idea what your current job pays in salary and benefits,  but then offset by what you may pay in childcare and transportation. What are the laws in your state? Would your kitchen qualify for a CFL? These are all very personal questions that only you can answer.....You could decide to do it illegally but look out if someone gets sick or decides they have a bone to pick with you and reports you....

post #72 of 123

One way to "fix" her and catch her in the act is to take some clear shipping tape then print out a message on your computer saying that this cake was created by  - your name and phone number.  Put this in the center of the cake plate directly under the first tier.  She can't see it but when the customer cuts the cake the message will let them know that it was made by you - they'll call you for verification and BINGO, no more cake orders - and you never had to say a word to her. 

post #73 of 123

With all of the going back and forth over the circumstances, it is a bit difficult to determine what to do, if anything.

 

I guess I was just wondering if the hairdresser is just 'doing hair out of her kitchen' for friends and relatives, or is she certified by the state, running it as a business (for which she'd have fees, insurance, etc.), keeping current with training, etc.  If so, then there is more value in the barter for services than just 'a cake for a cut and color'...

post #74 of 123

Ok, I've been following this and have to pipe in here.  Your hair is gorgeous!  And I don't blame you for not wanting to find another hairdresser.  Mine moved away 2 years ago and I'm still struggling to find someone who can cut my hair without butchering it, and as for colour I'm terrified to try someone new.  If they can't cut it, why trust them with colour?

I'd love to be able to have an arrangement like this, especially when it's something you obviously love to do and are amazing at.

post #75 of 123

JUST A CAKE.................... you're kidding, right?  Does a hair dresser spend 6 - 8 hours on an involved hair-doo.  I think not.  But a cake decorator would.  Oh you're going to get a lot of backlash from that statement.

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