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post #16 of 71
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Originally Posted by cakequeen50 View Post

I will do a kitchen cake for $2.50 per slice and my wedding cakes start at $5 per slice, but my dummies are also begining at $2.50 per "slice". 
 

 

Maybe some influential writer or publisher (like the Bridal Bargains book) got confused about this at some point and then the error has just been replicated over and over again from there?

 

Thing is, ordering kitchen cake CAN save money -- but not if you have an elaborate dummy cake too!  The "standard" way of approaching this when I got married (many years ago) was to have a smaller tiered cake than you actually needed for the number of servings, and make up the difference with kitchen cake(s).  There is NO dummy cake involved.  Under cakequeen50's pricing scheme, for example, a four-tier decorated cake plus a simple kitchen cake WOULD cost less than a six-tier wedding cake with the same total number of servings.  For a big wedding it can be a significant savings, and the guests can't tell that an individual slice -- showing a one-inch wide strip of frosting -- came from a kitchen cake rather than a tiered cake.

 

Anyway, for those of you with brides asking about this, you might try explaining it that way.

 

Holly

post #17 of 71
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Yes, I totally agree HollyML, and I will do kitchen cakes and a smaller wedding cake with no problem, it is when they want the styro cake and sheets to save money that irk me.

If a bride has 250 or more guests, I encourage kitchen cakes, this helps with delivery (heavy cakes) and it also helps the caterers trying to cut and serve  the cake like mad so quickly.
 

post #18 of 71

I just started my fake cake business a couple of months ago in the southern part of New Jersey and I have to say people are blown away by how smart this idea is for those who want the fondant look but don't want it on the cake their guests are eating and those brides who are on a tight budget. I even get the brides to rent from me  even though their  buttercream wedding cake is included in their package. Why? because the hall will only give them the amount of tiers needed to feed their guests  as with me I'll give them as many as they want for a flat rate. I often rent out the same cake and offer the bride assistance to accessorize it with decorations that can be taken on & off the cake - however if they want to design a cake that has permanent piping work then this rental fee would be more than the one that could be easily modified. But  it would still be less than the hall would charge them for an upgrade on the style of their cake which again I 'm certain a bride would rather spend on a cake with more tiers than what the hall will give in their package or in an upgrade. I have one venue who decided to put my rentals in their package and how charges an up grade if they want the entire cake all real - He decided to do this because using my rental is more time efficient than having the staff hack away at those fondant tiers or dismantling a 4 +tier cake with wooden dowels etc. The place could ensure a much fresher tasting cake anyway! The rentals could be dropped off ahead of time when the weather is challenging with snowy streets and it's a lot easier to make room for sheet cakes is what he told me is the best asset to making me one of his vendors. I'm so excited to bring this concept to all the halls in my area - I'm also becoming a big hit with those Sweet 16 girls who want wedding cake styles for their cake as opposed to the sheet cake that comes with their banquet pkg. The parents are thrilled about this concept because renting my cakes gives them an affordable display or centerpiece they would never be able to afford real. It's my goal to mainstream this concept for all birthdays  not just milestone banquet hall events.  The b-day cake is the next most important thing at a party so why not rent a cake prop that goes with the theme of the party and just have a sheet cake waiting in the kitchen until the candles are blown out and it's time for cake! Why buy an ordinary cake or spend $$$$$ on a fancy cake when you could save by renting an amazing looking cake because at the end of the day the cake looks just like the real thing and you're still eating cake regardless of where it came from.

post #19 of 71
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Originally Posted by Norasmom View Post
 

I think a new cake flavor is in order here for everyone's pricing list...  Styrofoam. 

:lol:  Norasmom, funny!

 

Nikko5: Well there's fake tans, fake boobs, fake nails, fake hair, fake smiles, rented tuxes and shoes, fake flowers, fake butter buttercream, so what the heck there's enough fake people to buy your fake cakes. Go ahead and post your business address and your website address, if you're real that is. Let's take a look at your great deals.

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post #20 of 71
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Originally Posted by MBalaska View Post

 

Nikko5: ...Go ahead and post your business address and your website address, if you're real that is. Let's take a look at your great deals.





Nice call, MB!

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post #21 of 71

this is a great idea--dummy cake business--i have a few dozen dummies all ready myself...yes all vanilla styrofoam ;) currently gathering dust-- i just need to get my husband to roll out the fondant or get a sheeter--just any minute now--foam is easy to cut out--fondant not so easy to roll out--but yeah i'm all in--woulda had it going last year but i hit the wall with the arthritis--smh--i'm not going quiet  :lol: rahr

 

however 'doing cakes' is a permanent affliction   --

help i'm a lifelong caker and i can't get out :grin:

 

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cake dummy business is not just a brilliant idea--it's another nail in the coffin of the custom caker business--ouch

 

and these businesses all over the country and in canada at least

my cookies are prettier than your cookies because this is the second time i substituted my opalescent sanding sugar when i ran out of sugar to make the batch ha!

 

my cookies are prettier than your cookies because this is the second time i substituted my opalescent sanding sugar when i ran out of sugar to make the batch ha!

 

post #22 of 71
Where I live, the receptions tend to be "open house" style, and the bride and groom invite everyone they've ever met. For example, my niece just got married, and they invited 600 people to their open house reception. I made their cake for them, as a gift, just a smaller size 3 tier that made about 100 servings. Then, my mother in law (my niece's grandma) decided to use up all the old box cake mixes she had in her food storage, and made 900 mini cuocakes, with frosting she got from the grocery store bakery. Oh yeah, and she made them a week in advance. They were like dry rocks. She also bought 800 cookies from the grocery store and had those out on the buffet table. I was fristrated at the wedding, because by the time they cut the cake, and I took it back and cut it up, no one wanted any - they were full from cookies and nasty mini cupcakes. My cake was made with imported French chocolate, real orange zest... All the good stuff, and it went to waste. Another caking friend of mine had a similar situation when she did her sister's wedding cake. Anither relative bought store sheet cakes to serve throughout the open house, and her delicious homemade cake went to waste.

So, I thought next time I get asked to do an open house style reception cake, I will recommend a dummy cake to display, amd sheet cakes made by me to serve during the open house. I would charge the same ler serving as if it were a fully decorated wedding cake, because it's the same amount of work - you bake amd frost the sheet cakes, just as you would tiers, and then decorate the dummy tiers, just as if they were cake.
post #23 of 71
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cake dummy business is not just a brilliant idea--it's another nail in the coffin of the custom caker business--ouch

 

and these businesses all over the country and in canada at least

I don't think this will affect the CUSTOM cake business. My clients come to me to have me design a cake specifically for them, based off their dress, their custom invitations, their wedding and party designs. not to re-use an old design that has been displayed in multiple weddings in their area for months. It may be a help to chain stores or lower-end decorators who don't want to offer custom designed cakes, but I don't see it affecting the CUSTOM cake business. Dummy displays have been around for a long time, they might put a dent in the low-to-mid price range but there will always be people looking for unique cake designs and seek out decorators who can design as well as decorate. It's no different in concept than the places who "rent" wedding dresses so brides don't have to buy. They've been around a long time too, not going after the same clients.

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post #24 of 71
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cake dummy business is not just a brilliant idea--it's another nail in the coffin of the custom caker business--ouch

 

and these businesses all over the country and in canada at least

I don't think this will affect the CUSTOM cake business. My clients come to me to have me design a cake specifically for them, based off their dress, their custom invitations, their wedding and party designs. not to re-use an old design that has been displayed in multiple weddings in their area for months. It may be a help to chain stores or lower-end decorators who don't want to offer custom designed cakes, but I don't see it affecting the CUSTOM cake business. Dummy displays have been around for a long time, they might put a dent in the low-to-mid price range but there will always be people looking for unique cake designs and seek out decorators who can design as well as decorate. It's no different in concept than the places who "rent" wedding dresses so brides don't have to buy. They've been around a long time too, not going after the same clients.

 

wow not a high opinion of peeps who do dummy cakes-- lots of high end cakers do dummies for big money customers and fill in with servings in undecorated cake and i've seen it advertised this way too--of course it's another nail in the coffin to me--especially because it is becoming more acceptable--i've also heard that it has longtime been common in japan in extravagantly decorated cake dummies especially at the very high dollar weddings-

 

and i believe there's tons of clients wanting to save a buck this way--sure there's the ones who want CUSTOM cakes but it's a newer option as a business and it surely does draw from the whole cake spectrum--where else would it come from--top to bottom

 

yes there'll always be a market for boutique cake shops but with the influx of more & more cottage laws business is not getting any easier -- so you might not see it but the dummy thing is going to impact imo--in fact you might even want to embrace it--if you are trying to make money--if you are able to be artsy and this is a side line because you are supported elsewhere then you can make other choices--

 

and as far as a tipping point this market does not have much more to go to get there--

my cookies are prettier than your cookies because this is the second time i substituted my opalescent sanding sugar when i ran out of sugar to make the batch ha!

 

my cookies are prettier than your cookies because this is the second time i substituted my opalescent sanding sugar when i ran out of sugar to make the batch ha!

 

post #25 of 71
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Originally Posted by MBalaska View Post
 

:lol:  Norasmom, funny!

 

Nikko5: Well there's fake tans, fake boobs, fake nails, fake hair, fake smiles, rented tuxes and shoes, fake flowers, fake butter buttercream, so what the heck there's enough fake people to buy your fake cakes. Go ahead and post your business address and your website address, if you're real that is. Let's take a look at your great deals.

 

yeah, this is not a new concept. If you want to rent a dummy then serve supermarket cake to your guests to save $20 be my guest, that person isn't my customer anyway. There would also be a market for people who want to rent a huge setup of fake food, then serve Chik Fil a nuggets for the "real" food.

 

I would also love to see the website for this business.

post #26 of 71

the dummy cake i saw in japan was srsly over the top--the dummy cake business sites i've seen in america/canada are not the high end designs--

my cookies are prettier than your cookies because this is the second time i substituted my opalescent sanding sugar when i ran out of sugar to make the batch ha!

 

my cookies are prettier than your cookies because this is the second time i substituted my opalescent sanding sugar when i ran out of sugar to make the batch ha!

 

post #27 of 71
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wow not a high opinion of peeps who do dummy cakes-- lots of high end cakers do dummies for big money customers and fill in with servings in undecorated cake and i've seen it advertised this way too--of course it's another nail in the coffin to me--especially because it is becoming more acceptable--i've also heard that it has longtime been common in japan in extravagantly decorated cake dummies especially at the very high dollar weddings-

 

and i believe there's tons of clients wanting to save a buck this way--sure there's the ones who want CUSTOM cakes but it's a newer option as a business and it surely does draw from the whole cake spectrum--where else would it come from--top to bottom

 

yes there'll always be a market for boutique cake shops but with the influx of more & more cottage laws business is not getting any easier -- so you might not see it but the dummy thing is going to impact imo--in fact you might even want to embrace it--if you are trying to make money--if you are able to be artsy and this is a side line because you are supported elsewhere then you can make other choices--

 

and as far as a tipping point this market does not have much more to go to get there--

Whoa, back it up and put the knife down! Geez K8 LOL! The dummy cake concept was mentioned as a way for clients to SAVE money on wedding cakes. If you are hiring a high end designer, you are NOT saving money having them decorate a dummy cake, most of the expense is in the decorating. I embrace dummies, it allows a creative outlet to try new techniques or build a unique portfolio or have stylized magazine shoots. These are 2 separate things you are talking about. Dummies to "save" on the cost of wedding cake prices are not going to be highly stylized and custom deisgned dummies are going to be as (or almost) as expensive as a real cake -- totally different things. If I have a client who wants a dummy cake all stylized -- AWESOME -- I'd do it in a heartbeat and offer kitchen cakes for the servings. But saying it's "another nail in the coffin of custom cake business" is a little far-fetched. The client who wants rock bottom prices, is not my client and I don't think it's having a "low" opinion of chain stores who use dummies. I shop at discount stores and I know there's a limit to what they can offer.  I don't have to agree with your thinking or you with mine. It gets a little old having you jump down everyones throat who isn't as "nice" as you think they should be only to have you bite anyone else who doesn't agree with your opinion. Little bit of a double standard there, and just because YOU read more into what I said doesn't mean I meant it that way.


Edited by sixinarow - 1/23/14 at 8:14am
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post #28 of 71
My brother and his wife had a 7 tier wedding cake, 5 tiers were styrofoam and the bottom 2 were cake. They only were charged 150 for the cake! Really cheap! All hand piped buttercream cake, I didn't eat any but people said that it was a little dry. The cake really was well done. I was just shocked that I paid more for my daughters 8"-6" birthday cake than they did for a wedding cake.
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post #29 of 71
I like Chik-Fil-A. Or however it's spelled. I used to like it anyway - I haven't had it in more than 20 years but they had an awesome breakfast biscuit. I always used to have that when I worked at Regency Square mall.
post #30 of 71
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My brother and his wife had a 7 tier wedding cake, 5 tiers were styrofoam and the bottom 2 were cake. They only were charged 150 for the cake! Really cheap! All hand piped buttercream cake, I didn't eat any but people said that it was a little dry. The cake really was well done. I was just shocked that I paid more for my daughters 8"-6" birthday cake than they did for a wedding cake.

And the baker that made their cake probably paid themselves $1 an hour to make it. You paid more because that baker probably went broke and wised up to the fact that they were giving away cake. It's not what's underneath the buttercream that costs the most.
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