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post #1 of 7
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I am going to stake a 5 tiered cake with the below idea.  Leah_S over on the SPS has helped me understand what I will be basically doing but I keep running into one problem that I can't get my brain to work through. 

 

Lasting Impressions Cake

 

Here is my plan:

 

6" round REAL cake

3" round styro drum

6" SPS plate with columns down through the 10" cake

10" round REAL cake - 6" SPS plate with columns down through

6" round styro drum

6" SPS plate with columns down through the 12" cake

12" round REAL cake - sitting on the 6" styro drum

6" round styro drum - resting on the 10" foam dummy cake below

12" square cake dummy

6" round styro drum - sitting directly on the foam below

16" square cake dummy

17" plywood base board (covered in foil)

 

Okay, now look at the picture.  What is my cake sitting on for plates?  It isn't the SPS plates, those are only on top of the real cake to support the 6" styro drums. Yes, I do want some of the plate showing 1/2" to 1" as this area will be used for the planned cake decorations. 

 

Do I simply get an extra SPS plate, turn upside down and put the cake on this?  Or should I buy a couple of Wilton plates?  This one thing has me so massive confused it is almost funny - that is if the hot flashes would stay away....lol. 

 

I appreciate any and all help! 

post #2 of 7
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Was sure hoping for some feed back by now.  Here is a thought I had, will it work?

 

Glue to cake boards together and trip with a tiny ribbon or lace or something like that so the cardboard doesn't show?  Will this be stable enough to hold up a 12" and 10" cake with fondant and plenty of decorations on it?

 

The cake is not being moved more than being lifted to put on a nice table cloth before a Sweet 16 party.

 

Again, thanks in advance for any and all help.  I know it is a newbie question but as many have said before, if you don't ask you can't learn.icon_biggrin.gif

post #3 of 7

Yes you will need some type of board or plate to put the layers of real cake on, if you are going with cardboard i would suggest using a 1/2" drum and trimming it with ribbon that fits with the colour you are using.

post #4 of 7
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Are these 1/2 drums foam boards?  This might actually work better as I am adding LED lights on the underside of the cake board/plates. 

post #5 of 7
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Do you know if they make just plain flat plastic plates?  The only think I can find is plates for pillaring or PSP type things.

post #6 of 7

I'll try to tackle this (I'll respond in blue)...

First of all, to avoid confusion -- you say "styro drum".  I'll say "styrofoam spacer dummy" as drums are professional cake boards (thick foam core sealed in foil) used as presentation boards under cake rather than stacked as dummy spacers.

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Originally Posted by whiteangel View Post
Here is my plan:

 

6" round REAL cake (you haven't mentioned any boards/plates you'll use under all real cake tiers, if there will be any, or what sizes... I'll assume you aren't sure yet--as that's probably most of your question.)

3" round styro drum

6" SPS plate with columns down through the 10" cake (this is the only place you've listed a plate that shows under a styrofoam spacer dummy -- nowhere else.)

10" round REAL cake - 6" SPS plate with columns down through (No support system required here... dummies don't need anything internal, and you didn't list internal dummy supports elsewhere.)

6" round styro drum

6" SPS plate with columns down through the 12" cake

12" round REAL cake - sitting on the 6" styro drum

6" round styro drum - resting on the 10" foam dummy cake below (there is no 10" foam dummy cake below, it's a 12" square cake dummy.)

12" square cake dummy

6" round styro drum - sitting directly on the foam below

16" square cake dummy

17" plywood base board (covered in foil)

In your photo, did you notice that the Wilton tailored tiers cake display set has progressively larger spacers?  It's my opinion that you should use progressively larger styrofoam spacer dummies to avoid this whole thing from looking like cakes are impaled by a giant 6" diameter shishkabob skewer.  I'd use spacer dummies 2" smaller than the cake above.  (which brings up another point...)

 

You say you want space to show around each tier for borders and decorations, right?  I'd suggest using cake drums 2" larger than the diameter of the cake (they're available in silver, gold, white, and black).  So now you'd have 4" of space under each cake drum (between the outer edge and the dummy spacer) for your LED lights.  (are these LEDs wireless?  If not, where are you running the wires?)

 

Who chose these sizes and why?  Do you HAVE to stick with this plan?  It has a nice gradual incline from the bottom two tiers, then it goes straight up for at least a foot throughout those 12" square and 12" rounds, then goes back to a somewhat appealing angle (even though it's not a consistent angle).  Personally, Iike 4" between tier sizes (especially when separated) otherwise it looks too tall and towering (and this is not only tall, but is also extremely top heavy w/all weight at top and all dummy tiers on bottom).  I'd get rid of all 12" tiers and go w/6" x 10" x 14" x 18" sq x 22" sq on a 26" plywood base, using 4", 8", 12", & 16" dummy spacers (this would allow avoiding the 10" cake's 12" drum from hanging directly over a 12" cake, as well as having the 12" cake's 14" drum from sticking out farther than the 12" square cake directly below).

 

Speaking of top heavy (especially if you're sticking with all tiny 6" dummy spacers under all tiers), to prevent the top from toppling off -- this should definitely be built on a central pipe that's screwed into the plywood base.

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Originally Posted by whiteangel View Post
The cake is not being moved more than being lifted to put on a nice table cloth before a Sweet 16 party.

Don't lift it to put a tablecloth under it... place the finished cake on the table only after the table is decorated first.

 

I think that's all that was on my mind!

 

Oh, and if you can't find large cake drums, you can make your own from foam core covered with fanci-foil.


Edited by CWR41 - 7/1/13 at 7:14pm
post #7 of 7
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Originally Posted by CWR41 View Post

I'll try to tackle this (I'll respond in blue)...

First of all, to avoid confusion -- you say "styro drum".  I'll say "styrofoam spacer dummy" as drums are professional cake boards (thick foam core sealed in foil) used as presentation boards under cake rather than stacked as dummy spacers.

In your photo, did you notice that the Wilton tailored tiers cake display set has progressively larger spacers?  It's my opinion that you should use progressively larger styrofoam spacer dummies to avoid this whole thing from looking like cakes are impaled by a giant 6" diameter shishkabob skewer.  I'd use spacer dummies 2" smaller than the cake above.  (which brings up another point...)

 

You say you want space to show around each tier for borders and decorations, right?  I'd suggest using cake drums 2" larger than the diameter of the cake (they're available in silver, gold, white, and black).  So now you'd have 4" of space under each cake drum (between the outer edge and the dummy spacer) for your LED lights.  (are these LEDs wireless?  If not, where are you running the wires?)

 

Who chose these sizes and why?  Do you HAVE to stick with this plan?  It has a nice gradual incline from the bottom two tiers, then it goes straight up for at least a foot throughout those 12" square and 12" rounds, then goes back to a somewhat appealing angle (even though it's not a consistent angle).  Personally, Iike 4" between tier sizes (especially when separated) otherwise it looks too tall and towering (and this is not only tall, but is also extremely top heavy w/all weight at top and all dummy tiers on bottom).  I'd get rid of all 12" tiers and go w/6" x 10" x 14" x 18" sq x 22" sq on a 26" plywood base, using 4", 8", 12", & 16" dummy spacers (this would allow avoiding the 10" cake's 12" drum from hanging directly over a 12" cake, as well as having the 12" cake's 14" drum from sticking out farther than the 12" square cake directly below).

 

Speaking of top heavy (especially if you're sticking with all tiny 6" dummy spacers under all tiers), to prevent the top from toppling off -- this should definitely be built on a central pipe that's screwed into the plywood base.

Don't lift it to put a tablecloth under it... place the finished cake on the table only after the table is decorated first.

 

I think that's all that was on my mind!

 

Oh, and if you can't find large cake drums, you can make your own from foam core covered with fanci-foil.

Thank you so much for your response.  Yes, each styrofoam spacer dummy will sit on a SPS into real cake and directly on the foam dummy cakes.  Missed proof reading to make sure I had all the parts listed. 

 

As for the height of the cake and who chose it?  My daughter.  I have made the kiddos fancy cakes for most of their birthdays and this time, she wanted it big and she wants it spectacular.  I helped her decorate a dummy cake for an 8th grade project - she learned she didn't have the patience for this. 

 

Wouldn't let me attach the pic, so I tried doing it with an attachment.

 

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So now she wants bigger and something without her help so it will be prettier.  She and I didn't like the pillars so decided on going with the styro spacers.  From bottom up the 2 and 3 cakes are both 12" but you can't really tell that with the square being on the bottom.  We tried reversing this when making the above and it looked very awkward.  It won't be the cake above, just showing why she wants BIGGER.

 

The styro spacers that I ordered are 3" high and 6" in diameter.  Have tested this and does seem steady enough.  You make a good point and I will probably order a few bigger ones just to help out there.  I am also thinking you are right about two 12" cakes, especially since I am going to need to use the foam core drums as plates.  Just think that will look tacky, darn.  Will 1" thick be strong enough or do I need more?  Wouldn't several cake boards do the same thing.

 

Okay, is this correct??

 

6"  round real cake

7" foam cake board

4" styro

SPS plate and columns

10" round real cake

11" foam cake board

8" styro

SPS plate and columns

12" round real cake

13" foam cake board

10" styro

14" square dummy

15" foam cake board

12" sq styro

16" square dummy

Plywood base covered in either fondant or cake foil.

 

The lighting will be LED battery on wires as well as individual ones like this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/24-SUBMERSIBLE-waterproof-LED-Light-Paper-Lantern-Balloon-Floral-WEDDING-Party/130657528606?rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222002%26algo%3DSIC.FIT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D261%26meid%3D8658507282733385886%26pid%3D100005%26prg%3D1088%26rk%3D1%26sd%3D150895048925%26

 

The wires will be hidden behind GP flowers and gelatin bubbles - which is what will be used to actually hide most of the styro spacers.  The individual LED's are twist on and last 8 hours, plenty of time and will be in some of the bubbles as well as back lighting flowers.  Though I have read these "should" be food safe (and are want a lot of cake t.v. shows use) they will be placed in plastic drinking straws when coming in contact with anything that might be eaten.  The lights on strings are also submersible, just not the battery packs.  Doing is this way so there is no worries if liquid gets on the wires. 

 

I will do final stacking the night before the party and yes after the table cloth and other decor are in place.  There will be a balloon arch over the cake spelling out SWEET 16 and her name.  Yup, just love to decorate for parties and weddings...should have done it for a living!!  lol

 

Again, thank you for your help!!

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