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post #31 of 62

SInce this is for a relative and you are transporting out of state,, you can be a bit more demanding with design.    I would insist on a pillar design so you can stack onsite and go up as many tiers as you want...5, 6, 7...???  You will never have enough..but make sure the kitchen cakes are double sheet cakes that way when sliced, they look just like a slice of the wedding cake.  

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post #32 of 62
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I was thinking the same thing, I think they feel since she's making it for them they can up the number of cake servings they need. I would never agree to do a cake for 1500 people no matter how much they are paying that is pure insanity and "if" I was even contemplating doing it I want full payment up front before any work is done!

Well me to! If I am honest, they are just asking me to try to save money and still have the biggest wedding, well I'm not stupid! I was talking to my aunt about wedding cake prices when the bride to be heard me saying:" sometimes a wedding cake can even be €1000" and then the BTB said in a bit angry way;" so you would also ask me to pay €1000" and my awnser was; " if you want a cake for 1500 guests it would be a lot more than €1000".
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post #33 of 62
Jeetje! Do they sell cakes at Hema now? Surely she has had numbers from other vendors that would given her an indication of how expensive it is to have 1500 guests by now.
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post #34 of 62

Surely with 1500 people invited, there should be another cake decorator or two in there....recruit some help if you are going to do this.

 

I feel bad that you are in this situation...you will probably never want to decorate a cake again.

 

I would provide cake for maybe 500 (tiered, kitchen cakes, cupcakes - combo) and the rest is up to them.  If they don't like that EXTREMELY generous offer, I would suggest they hire another baker to do this.  They will find out quickly how valuable your service is and how kind your gift is once they get quotes from other places.

 

Personally, I would run....run....run away from this titanic order.

 

Our wedding had a cookie table where all of my mom's friends and my mom made a boat-load of finger desserts.  I think it's tradition in some cultures to do this (I am a Heinz 57 mix of Europeans), so maybe the same is true of big Italian weddings?  If so, maybe they won't need cake to feed everyone.

 

Obviously this bride has NO IDEA how expensive cake ingredients are...let along the whopping amount of time it would take to provide cake for 1500.  I would figure out time and ingredients of 100 servings for her, break it down into butter and how much butter it will take for the cake and icing for those 100 servings.  Show it to her and ask her to multiply it by 15. 

 

She will be shocked and she SHOULD feel embarrassed that she'd even expect this out of ONE HUMAN BEING.

 

Don't give into the guilt, stand your ground.  Honestly, I can't even imagine..... 

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post #35 of 62

Surely with 1500 people invited, there should be another cake decorator or two in there....recruit some help if you are going to do this.

 

I feel bad that you are in this situation...you will probably never want to decorate a cake again.

 

I would provide cake for maybe 500 (tiered, kitchen cakes, cupcakes - combo) and the rest is up to them.  If they don't like that EXTREMELY generous offer, I would suggest they hire another baker to do this.  They will find out quickly how valuable your service is and how kind your gift is once they get quotes from other places.

 

Personally, I would run....run....run away from this titanic order.

 

Our wedding had a cookie table where all of my mom's friends and my mom made a boat-load of finger desserts.  I think it's tradition in some cultures to do this (I am a Heinz 57 mix of Europeans), so maybe the same is true of big Italian weddings?  If so, maybe they won't need cake to feed everyone.

 

Obviously this bride has NO IDEA how expensive cake ingredients are...let along the whopping amount of time it would take to provide cake for 1500.  I would figure out time and ingredients of 100 servings for her, break it down into butter and how much butter it will take for the cake and icing for those 100 servings.  Show it to her and ask her to multiply it by 15. 

 

She will be shocked and she SHOULD feel embarrassed that she'd even expect this out of ONE HUMAN BEING.

 

Don't give into the guilt, stand your ground.  Honestly, I can't even imagine..... 

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post #36 of 62

WOW. My sister married an Italian last year and with a very restrictive guest list and two wedding parties (one in Germany, and a smaller one in Italy) we totaled about 250 guests. I understand it can easily go up to 300-400 but anything more ist crazy, even by Italian standards ;-) (Just talking about my experience here, not putting down anyone). The wedding cake is quite important in the Italian tradition. I wonder how they will handle the usual photoshoot with the cake with that many guests. It took us over 2 hours for less than 100!

The tradition (at least in the area of Naples, where the family of my brother-in-law comes from) is that around midnight, the cake is cut, the guests will come up to the bridal couple, hand over their present, recieve the bonboniere (give-away) in return, have their picture taken with the couple and the cake and then either eat some cake or take it with them and leave. With 1500 guests this will take the best part of about 3 days ;-)

 

Seriously though, I think when the guest list is really final and RSVP'd it will probably boil down to about 800-900. Still madness :-)

The next thing to consider that we Europeans will rarley be satisfied with a Wilton standard-serving of cake. Usually, we plan quite a bit more cake per person.

 

IF you do this at all (and I would SERIOUSLY think about it) I would agree to a nice 4-or 5 tier for the cutting and pictures and they will have to find a solution for the rest of the servings. You are a teenager, this is more than enough of a wedding present!

 

I did a company anniversary cake 2 years ago that totaled about 2000 servings, but these were flat sheet cakes, not filled, just iced with ganache, all put together about 40.000 square inches, with the company logo and Happy Birthday in laaaaaarge gumpaste letters. I have a small professional bakery and just the baking and rough-icing with ganache took me 3 days straight with no sleep. I had to buy 100 boxes of the correct size for the cakes and we had a van and a large car to deliver them. It netted me a nice amout of money but I will N E V E R  E V E R (can not stress this enough) do anything like this again. So think about this really carefully!!

post #37 of 62
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Surely with 1500 people invited, there should be another cake decorator or two in there....recruit some help if you are going to do this.

I feel bad that you are in this situation...you will probably never want to decorate a cake again.

I would provide cake for maybe 500 (tiered, kitchen cakes, cupcakes - combo) and the rest is up to them.  If they don't like that EXTREMELY generous offer, I would suggest they hire another baker to do this.  They will find out quickly how valuable your service is and how kind your gift is once they get quotes from other places.

Personally, I would run....run....run away from this titanic order.

Our wedding had a cookie table where all of my mom's friends and my mom made a boat-load of finger desserts.  I think it's tradition in some cultures to do this (I am a Heinz 57 mix of Europeans), so maybe the same is true of big Italian weddings?  If so, maybe they won't need cake to feed everyone.

Obviously this bride has NO IDEA how expensive cake ingredients are...let along the whopping amount of time it would take to provide cake for 1500.  I would figure out time and ingredients of 100 servings for her, break it down into butter and how much butter it will take for the cake and icing for those 100 servings.  Show it to her and ask her to multiply it by 15. 

She will be shocked and she SHOULD feel embarrassed that she'd even expect this out of ONE HUMAN BEING.

Don't give into the guilt, stand your ground.  Honestly, I can't even imagine..... 

I am going to tell her that I will rate them the same price as everybody else(about €5000) and give them a €100 discount cause thats allready more money than most people would give to a wedding couple and if they don't agree I wll run away lol
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post #38 of 62
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WOW. My sister married an Italian last year and with a very restrictive guest list and two wedding parties (one in Germany, and a smaller one in Italy) we totaled about 250 guests. I understand it can easily go up to 300-400 but anything more ist crazy, even by Italian standards ;-) (Just talking about my experience here, not putting down anyone). The wedding cake is quite important in the Italian tradition. I wonder how they will handle the usual photoshoot with the cake with that many guests. It took us over 2 hours for less than 100!

The tradition (at least in the area of Naples, where the family of my brother-in-law comes from) is that around midnight, the cake is cut, the guests will come up to the bridal couple, hand over their present, recieve the bonboniere (give-away) in return, have their picture taken with the couple and the cake and then either eat some cake or take it with them and leave. With 1500 guests this will take the best part of about 3 days ;-)

 

Seriously though, I think when the guest list is really final and RSVP'd it will probably boil down to about 800-900. Still madness :-)

The next thing to consider that we Europeans will rarley be satisfied with a Wilton standard-serving of cake. Usually, we plan quite a bit more cake per person.

 

IF you do this at all (and I would SERIOUSLY think about it) I would agree to a nice 4-or 5 tier for the cutting and pictures and they will have to find a solution for the rest of the servings. You are a teenager, this is more than enough of a wedding present!

 

I did a company anniversary cake 2 years ago that totaled about 2000 servings, but these were flat sheet cakes, not filled, just iced with ganache, all put together about 40.000 square inches, with the company logo and Happy Birthday in laaaaaarge gumpaste letters. I have a small professional bakery and just the baking and rough-icing with ganache took me 3 days straight with no sleep. I had to buy 100 boxes of the correct size for the cakes and we had a van and a large car to deliver them. It netted me a nice amout of money but I will N E V E R  E V E R (can not stress this enough) do anything like this again. So think about this really carefully!!

 

 

I will think about it very carefully, cause i think its very sellfish of them to think their 16 year old far away cousin will just clap in his hands and a €5000 wedding cake appears for free. And one more thing thats boardering me is that I dont even know her husbant to be and the first time I saw him he didn't even greeted me untill he heard that i make cakes when he started to act nice to me and said: I will give you €100 for the cake, REALLY!!! your really that greedy? or you just never ordered a cake before? they really think I'm just a stupid teenager who doesn't knows anything about money! well they are wrong! but I don't know how to tell them I won't do it cause I just don't want to work with these greedy people without making them mad, not that I care about them beeing mad but I don't want to make family problems. It really annoys me that because off this there is a change people will say I'm to young to take cake orders while I never had a coustemer who wasn't pleased about the cake and I allready had a lot of coustumers the last 2 years.


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I am going to tell her that I will rate them the same price as everybody else(about €5000) and give them a €100 discount cause thats allready more money than most people would give to a wedding couple and if they don't agree I wll run away lol

 

That is the perfect solution!  Then it will on them to tell you no, and worry about upsetting family members. :)

 

Good job!

 

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post #40 of 62

A few years ago my sister, and mother and I made 1500 cupcakes in our home kitchen. It took us a solid 24 hours to bake and frost all those cupcakes and we were completely spent at the end. I wouldn't have been able to attend a wedding afterward, that's for sure.

post #41 of 62
I went to a wedding that had about 500 ppl and that was a zoo. They had several different desserts though I couldn't imagine having one cake for 500 let alone 1,000!! Your plan seems like a good one. good luck!
post #42 of 62

Omg, bless your heart Taartenmaker, as I read the thread I didn't realize you are 16 years old!! wow, congratulations you do amazing work thumbs_up.gif --- In spite of your great talent and skills how can your family put such a burden on you and expect cake for that many guest!! icon_surprised.gif icon_eek.gif the thought doesn't fit in my head...---only once I made a cake for 250 people and I was overwhelmed!!! I'm a hobby baker and I enjoy making fun cakes but I would not want to make a cake of that magnitud. I suggest you follow the advice to make cake for let's say 200-250 servings and let them take care of the rest.

The cake I made for 250 people was also a gift and let me tell you, aside from all the work involved it was very expensive!! Especially because I used the best ingredients, expensive ganache, everything from scratch etc and yeah the b-day lady and family loved the cake of course.

Good luck and many blessings to you.

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post #43 of 62
And based on what I've read, the bride seems like one of those people who will never appreciate the magnitude of what they are putting on the OP. Even if OP offers the deepest discount ever, they would still complain about something. Such vultures to drop this on a teenager.
post #44 of 62

Maybe if you tell them they have to help pay for the ingredients that go into making that huge masterpiece, they may change their minds!  How would you gift that huge cake or cakes?? Would you pay for it? Or your parents? I'm just wondering who would take the responsibility of paying that enormous bill to serve 1500 people cake! That sounds like a nightmare!! 1500 people??  They must be a very popular couple! Good luck with whatever you do! You sound like you have a great plan in place! I didn't read all the comments so sorry if you've already answered my questions!! icon_smile.gif

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post #45 of 62
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I am going to tell her that I will rate them the same price as everybody else(about €5000) and give them a €100 discount cause thats allready more money than most people would give to a wedding couple and if they don't agree I wll run away lol

I'm gonna guess that the guest list will come right on down after thisicon_wink.gif

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