Bring back the 'Puppies and Rainbows' - Page 5

Pot, meet kettle.

I agree, that is rude, and the ridiculous accusation that you created an additional account to support your points is not even worth responding to.



Do you not see the irony of this statement? You are doing the same thing to me (accusing me of creating multiple accounts) that was so hurtful to you it caused you to stop posting for months and create a new identity.



That's unfortunate...everyone has something to contribute, you shouldn't let a few rude posts here and there stop you from participating in a community that is mostly respectful, supportive, and informative.



I don't "like to have the last word", if someone posts a point in a discussion and I have a response, I will respond to it. If I don't have a response or one is not necessary, I won't reply. If you don't want to continue this discussion, you don't have to keep posting in this thread.



That's not my point at all. I don't think the world is full of nasty people, but there is a small percentage in any community that tends to be not as respectful as they could be. If you let these people drive you away from the community instead of just ignoring them, the community as a whole loses.



I co-founded and ran a bakery for four years, and there is much more to running a successful baking business than baking and decorating. I happen to enjoy both discussing business topics and debating, which is why I participate here.

I was wondering how long this debate would last.
Puppies and Rainbows? Where in the heck does this exist, except in a young childs protected life. There does not exist such a thing.
There are some people who just don't know how to phrase things, which doesn't make them meanies. They just say it bluntly, without sweetening the edges. Two people can mean the same thing, but in the end one person might say it bitchy. The internet also doesn't transfer the whole meaning, some things get lost in translation.
I will say that I am a bit tired of the whole YOU HAVE TO BE LICENSED debate every time somebody ask a question. It's ok for one person to say it, but then the whole darn thread goes to YOU HAVE TO BE LICENSED!!
Remeber, it is just the internet. These people don't know you. Why get your panties in a wad? They may just have bitchy personalities. They be people who are just surfing for a response. I'm not saying that's ok. But there are people who love drama. Ignore and move on. Their underpits probably stink. Stand up and rise above..
Last, but not least. Why would you try to debate with Jason? First, he's a man. Second, he loves to argue. Third, reason number one was a good enough reason.

LOL...yes. an exercise in futility. I have to note, though that Godot and all the people who signed up to CC not too long ago, have no idea how JK used to be. He has changed for the better! So maybe we should give him a little break and not hold a grudge? Together with his answers there was usually this "sermon" about being legal and all that stuff, even if the question was not posted on the business forum. I mean, really, he and his "friends" at this forum would gang up on people.

http://cakecentral.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=7266318&highlight=#7266318

Then there was this long ago (he's a far cry from that person):
http://cakecentral.com/cake-decorating-ftopic-723008-150.html

And fortunately, both FL and CA have a cottage food law now, despite the demoralizing posts.
http://cakecentral.com/cake-decorating-ftopic-697373-0.html

JK still has to work on his "arguing" and having the last word...lol...give him some time.

lol

SNORK!

I just sprayed Coke out through my nose.

Interesting that you said that, looking back at my older posts they are pretty much the same as what I post now. The biggest difference since then is that some of the worst offenders in terms of personal attacks have since either been banned or left the community.



Did you mean to link to a different thread? I don't see a sermon or ganging up there.



Which "demoralizing" posts? My comments were about the proposition process in FL (which is as difficult as I described) but luckily both FL and CA were able to pass CFLs through their state legislatures instead. And that's why I said in that thread "this petition could still be useful for making FL lawmakers aware of the issue so they can pass a law on their own".



I don't see it that way, I think I'm pretty good at arguing (i.e. discussing a topic while backing up your viewpoints with evidence and logic). And re "having the last word", if someone brings up a point and I have an opinion or counterpoint I will post it. That's the whole point of a discussion forum. Are people really holding back their posts just because they don't want to seem like they "have the last word"?

This is my mascot. Thought you'd all enjoy him. Click in him to view correctly.

That's actually my brother...who looks just like me. So I take offense to that.

Pieman rules. That is all.

Hahaha! Does he look like you in the face, or in the body?

I actually took the time to read through all of these links and once again, Jason never said anything offensive. He was contributing to the conversation, calmly responding when other people questioned why he was involved, etc.

I found it pretty offensive that in one of those threads someone was basically saying "shame on Jason" for always trying to talk about legally running a business and this person literally said she encourages people via PM's to break the law 'no one will know, no one will get sick...'

Seriously, it comes down to this:

1. If you are selling a product you are in business (exchanging goods for money or items of value in lieu of actual money). If you ask a question about conducting business (regardless of whether you post it in the business forum or not), expect to get an answer framed from a businessperson's perspective. A GOOD businessperson would never encourage you to break the law and a person looking out for your best interest would never give false praise or tell you good business practices aren't really important.
2. If you are in business, you need to follow the laws of your state/national government.
3. If you are not following the laws and/or are operating illegally, there is nothing wrong with someone telling you you are breaking the law. It doesn't matter whether or not you want to hear that you're doing something wrong - IF YOU'RE ILLEGAL, YOU ARE WRONG!
4. There is nothing wrong with a person who lives in one state researching a topic involving laws in another state and responding/offering his/her opinions. You don't need to be a lawyer or accountant to understand the laws and offer feedback on a message board. You don't have to live in the state being discussed to have an opinion about the law in that state, just like you are allowed to have an opinion about cake if you've never baked one before. IT'S AN OPINION!!!!!

Taking offense at someone for calling you out about operating illegally is displaying immaturity. You are doing something wrong/illegal. Get over it.

Taking offense at someone for educating him/herself and carefully responding with valuable advice (whether you specifically asked for it or now) is displaying immaturity. Just because you don't want to hear it doesn't mean a person doesn't have to right to state an opinion or offer advice.

Expecting someone not to defend him/herself when blatantly incorrect statements have been made and then throwing out a "you always have to get the last word in" is the behavior of a small child. As a businessperson and/or professional of any type, I would always stand up for myself if someone accused me of a falsehood or maligned my reputation.

Yes, it does get frustrating arguing with someone when you feel like you can never win. However, the reality just might be that you are wrong and a careful examination of the facts (without the emotions of how you believe you've been wronged in the past) might just lead you to the realization that someone else has a point. Take it as a opportunity (once you've worked through those bad feelings) to learn something. This certainly doesn't mean Jason is always right. It means that no one is ever "ALWAYS" right and when you close yourself off to learning from someone just because you don't like them or their message you lose.

By the way, someone taking the time to quote you and breaking your post into 5-6 segments and responding to each segment individually typically means they did actually "listen" to what you said. Lack of agreement doesn't mean lack of understanding or not listening to your perspective.

thanks for saying what i was giggling about here. I am far more annoyed by posts that ask questions without having done any research prior to posting, than the tone of replies. Maybe it is the experience posters have with the internets, but this place is pretty darn tame.

I think of it as a cocktail party that you mingle through. You will always find some conversations that you'd rather walk past, and some that always pull you in, some party goers who have a dry wit with a side of bite, and some who you know will be your best friend (personally i look for the former to be the latter). Sometime people have great days, other times you know that you'd (or someone else) rather have stayed in bed and kept your mouth shut. This isn't a campfire circle where everyone has link arms and have a sing along. There are other hobby decorating forums that have that vibe overflowing from the puppies riding galloping unicorns while leaping rainbow fences.

Trying to tell other people how to act just incites drama and takes us away from sharing knowledge and information.