Originally Posted by vpJane
Originally Posted by vgcea
Ahhh... arguing with Jason... an exercise in futility.
*runs out of thread*
LOL...yes. an exercise in futility. I have to note, though that Godot and all the people who signed up to CC not too long ago, have no idea how JK used to be. He has changed for the better! So maybe we should give him a little break and not hold a grudge? Together with his answers there was usually this "sermon" about being legal and all that stuff, even if the question was not posted on the business forum. I mean, really, he and his "friends" at this forum would gang up on people.
Then there was this long ago (he's a far cry from that person):
And fortunately, both FL and CA have a cottage food law now, despite the demoralizing posts.
JK still has to work on his "arguing" and having the last word...lol...give him some time.
I actually took the time to read through all of these links and once again, Jason never said anything offensive. He was contributing to the conversation, calmly responding when other people questioned why he was involved, etc.
I found it pretty offensive that in one of those threads someone was basically saying "shame on Jason" for always trying to talk about legally running a business and this person literally said she encourages people via PM's to break the law 'no one will know, no one will get sick...'
Seriously, it comes down to this:
1. If you are selling a product you are in business (exchanging goods for money or items of value in lieu of actual money). If you ask a question about conducting business (regardless of whether you post it in the business forum or not), expect to get an answer framed from a businessperson's perspective. A GOOD businessperson would never encourage you to break the law and a person looking out for your best interest would never give false praise or tell you good business practices aren't really important.
2. If you are in business, you need to follow the laws of your state/national government.
3. If you are not following the laws and/or are operating illegally, there is nothing wrong with someone telling you you are breaking the law. It doesn't matter whether or not you want to hear that you're doing something wrong - IF YOU'RE ILLEGAL, YOU ARE WRONG!
4. There is nothing wrong with a person who lives in one state researching a topic involving laws in another state and responding/offering his/her opinions. You don't need to be a lawyer or accountant to understand the laws and offer feedback on a message board. You don't have to live in the state being discussed to have an opinion about the law in that state, just like you are allowed to have an opinion about cake if you've never baked one before. IT'S AN OPINION!!!!!
Taking offense at someone for calling you out about operating illegally is displaying immaturity. You are doing something wrong/illegal. Get over it.
Taking offense at someone for educating him/herself and carefully responding with valuable advice (whether you specifically asked for it or now) is displaying immaturity. Just because you don't want to hear it doesn't mean a person doesn't have to right to state an opinion or offer advice.
Expecting someone not to defend him/herself when blatantly incorrect statements have been made and then throwing out a "you always have to get the last word in" is the behavior of a small child. As a businessperson and/or professional of any type, I would always stand up for myself if someone accused me of a falsehood or maligned my reputation.
Yes, it does get frustrating arguing with someone when you feel like you can never win. However, the reality just might be that you are wrong and a careful examination of the facts (without the emotions of how you believe you've been wronged in the past) might just lead you to the realization that someone else has a point. Take it as a opportunity (once you've worked through those bad feelings) to learn something. This certainly doesn't mean Jason is always right. It means that no one is ever "ALWAYS" right and when you close yourself off to learning from someone just because you don't like them or their message you lose.
By the way, someone taking the time to quote you and breaking your post into 5-6 segments and responding to each segment individually typically means they did actually "listen" to what you said. Lack of agreement doesn't mean lack of understanding or not listening to your perspective.