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post #16 of 116
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Actually I do enjoy hearing about others' businesses very much. But bragging about your business and all your credentials over and over is kind of a put off. I wouldn't say that I'm envious of anyone's business here. There are a lot of people I admire though. We have some amazing decorators on Cake Central!

I guess we will have to agree to disagree about the rudeness and nastiness here then because I do see it and others obviously see it, but you do not. I certainly do not think it's something us 'sensitive' people are seeing that's not really there.

I don't think I'm asking for a lot of accomodation from this community. I'm just asking for a select few to be more respectful, especially to Newbies, so that everyone is comfortable posting and chatting on the forums.
post #17 of 116
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Originally Posted by Danielle_loves_cake

I'm just asking for a select few to be more respectful, especially to Newbies, so that everyone is comfortable posting and chatting on the forums.


Agreed there, but the "select few" you're thinking of are probably different from the "select few" I'm thinking of who need to show more respect.
post #18 of 116
Jason I find it very telling that you automatically think people are 'envious' because we mentioned we are sick of hearing about a persons business.....jumping to this conclusion could maybe lead me to believe 'you' get a teeny tiny bit envious of people icon_eek.gif ....but then again, I'm no shrink icon_wink.gif.

I simply mentioned that I am sick of the SAME person/s 'banging on' about how successful,knowledgable, educated they are, their crap don't stink, etc, etc and basically if anyone has a different opinion they are WRONG....

I think this is what Danielle is referring to as well....but once again, I could be wrong as.....apparently every so often I am....damn it's one of the problems with being human.

I wish every happiness to anyone who is successful in life....damn there should be more of it as heavens knows there are so many out there that are really struggling (and this is where it is nice to have compassion.....another quality so many of us are lacking in today's society)..... What is annoying is how they just go on and on about it - no matter what the thread is about.....kind of gets a little bit to the point of "who freaking cares, we all know you are the best, chuck out the rest (you can say that last bit in a sing song-y voice if you like......because it sounds kinda cool and it does get a little bit like pre school on here icon_wink.gif )

Me thinks I am definitely thinking of the same select few as the OP..... icon_rolleyes.gif
post #19 of 116
Hahaha - Kendall it is true, you do automatically want to sing that line. I have nothing to add of any importance, just could tell you were Aussie. Your reply made me both smile and nod my head....same weird sense of humour icon_lol.gif (Oh and another LEO I see.....good stuff).....

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And Carmijok, I'm so sorry to hear about your kitty. I read it in a recent post. Was it the one in your picture with the melon on his head? That picture is so cute!

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Thanks. No... that's an internet picture. My cat was black with gold eyes. She would have never allowed a lime on her head! icon_lol.gif



I am surprised anyone got a lime on any cats head....being 'supreme creatures' that they are it must have been a dog behind it icon_wink.gif
post #20 of 116
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Originally Posted by Kendall88

I simply mentioned that I am sick of the SAME person/s 'banging on' about how successful,knowledgable, educated they are, their crap don't stink, etc, etc and basically if anyone has a different opinion they are WRONG....


I was just trying to figure out why a few people are so concerned when others talk about their businesses. If it's just that they are tired of hearing about it, it's a little puzzling to me why they continue to read the posts instead of skipping over them. There are new people joining CC all the time, and just because you have heard something before doesn't mean everyone has.

It's also quite a leap from someone bringing up their business and educational experience to address a topic (in my experience it isn't brought up for no reason) to them saying "everyone else's opinions are wrong". If anything this thread is more a fit to the latter, as OP is asking other people to conform to her standards of inferred rudeness/condescension as well as how often one is allowed to talk about their business.
post #21 of 116
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Kendall88

I simply mentioned that I am sick of the SAME person/s 'banging on' about how successful,knowledgable, educated they are, their crap don't stink, etc, etc and basically if anyone has a different opinion they are WRONG....

I think this is what Danielle is referring to as well....but once again, I could be wrong as.....apparently every so often I am....damn it's one of the problems with being human.



This is exactly what I am referring to, thank you Kendall! icon_smile.gif
post #22 of 116
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[quote="jason_kraft"]I was just trying to figure out why a few people are so concerned when others talk about their businesses. If it's just that they are tired of hearing about it, it's a little puzzling to me why they continue to read the posts instead of skipping over them. There are new people joining CC all the time, and just because you have heard something before doesn't mean everyone has./quote]

It's not just the bragging about their business, it's a slew of other things as well, as I mentioned. The reason it's hard to skip over them is because this person answers my posts which have nothing to do with business (they are more to do with baking, buttercreams,etc.) And sometimes this person has good advice mixed in with the condenscending attitude so I tend to quickly read it. Also, when someone demeans you, it's hard to ignore and just 'skip over' it.

I'm wondering if you're reading the same posts that we are or if you're perhaps 'playing dumb' to get me riled up. Perhaps you're hoping I'll mention specific incidents and then you can acuse me of 'attacking' people'. icon_confused.gif [/u]
post #23 of 116
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By the way, I'm not sure if I'm doing the quoting correctly. Sorry if I've messed it up. I was just trying to take part of a quote instead of the entire thing. Is that even possible?
post #24 of 116
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Originally Posted by Danielle_loves_cake

It's not just the bragging about their business, it's a slew of other things as well, as I mentioned.


Which other things, aside from the subjectively inferred rudeness and condescension?

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The reason it's hard to skip over them is because this person answers my posts which have nothing to do with business (they are more to do with baking, buttercreams,etc.) And sometimes this person has good advice mixed in with the condenscending attitude so I tend to quickly read it.


Well then you have a choice to make: if the inferred attitude upsets you more than you value their advice, skip their posts. If not, suck it up and read it. People usually don't change their posting style, it tends to be as unique as a fingerprint and can even be used to identify alternate IDs.

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Also, when someone demeans you, it's hard to ignore and just 'skip over' it.


Yes, it's hard, but it's the right thing to do. When people insult me here (I have a small fan club) I will typically remove the offending part of their post in my reply or just ignore the post completely.

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I'm wondering if you're reading the same posts that we are


I'm wondering the same thing. I have an idea of who you may be referring to, and while this person has a direct, no-nonsense posting style I don't read in condescension or bragging. I can see how one could interpret it as somewhat rude if you aren't used to people not pulling their punches, but that's how the business world works, and asking others to compromise their style because you don't like it doesn't seem fair to me.

Also there's nothing wrong IMO with pointing to specific incidents and explaining why you felt the posts were rude/etc. That's not a personal attack at all, since you are sharing your opinion on the content that was posted, as opposed to the poster.

And BTW your quote didn't work because the close quote tag was missing a bracket, it should be [/quote].
post #25 of 116
[quote="Danielle_loves_cake"]
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Originally Posted by jason_kraft

I was just trying to figure out why a few people are so concerned when others talk about their businesses. If it's just that they are tired of hearing about it, it's a little puzzling to me why they continue to read the posts instead of skipping over them. There are new people joining CC all the time, and just because you have heard something before doesn't mean everyone has./quote]

It's not just the bragging about their business, it's a slew of other things as well, as I mentioned. The reason it's hard to skip over them is because this person answers my posts which have nothing to do with business (they are more to do with baking, buttercreams,etc.) And sometimes this person has good advice mixed in with the condenscending attitude so I tend to quickly read it. Also, when someone demeans you, it's hard to ignore and just 'skip over' it.

I'm wondering if you're reading the same posts that we are or if you're perhaps 'playing dumb' to get me riled up. Perhaps you're hoping I'll mention specific incidents and then you can acuse me of 'attacking' people'. icon_confused.gif [/u]





Lol - funny you should say that Danielle - was just wondering exactly the same thing - Jason you are just repeating yourself......are you reading the same posts as us or are you just seeing what you want to see?? Can we just clarify once and for all that I or the OP have nothing against people talking about their business.....can you just see what I have typed.....or do we need to go back and forth and just keep writing the same stuff...

Now I would type slow if it would help you get the 'jist' of what I am saying....it is annoying when people (yes the same few) constantly remind us how important they are.......and I am talking about in threads that have nothing to do with their business..... Please do not try and put words into my mouth Jason in the hope someone else will jump on and think I am attacking them. And FYI I do skip these posts when I see them.....does not mean I don't cringe and involuntarily 'dry reach' and think......here we go again!!!!! icon_cry.gif

Anyway as you have admitted you are very puzzled by things....and how could you not be....it is some unGodly hour of the morning over there....shouldn't you be sleeping or something, no wonder it is all puzzling.....I think it is best we just agree to disagree.... thumbs_up.gif
post #26 of 116
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Jason,
I knew that you were going to ask me to post specific incidents. I won't do that because, you and I both know, it will add to the drama. I see now that I was right, you are trying to rile me up. I'm pretty disappointed as I did have quite a bit of respect for you.
Your comment 'that's how the business world works' is not an excuse for people to act this way. Many on Cake Central are hobby bakers who don't even own businesses, so why should they have to be subjected to people 'pulling punches and the real business world' (keeping in mind that this is also happening in the non-business forum).
Thank you for your help with the quoting.
Danielle
post #27 of 116
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Originally Posted by Danielle_loves_cake

I knew that you were going to ask me to post specific incidents.


If you read my post more carefully, I didn't ask you to post specific incidents. You said that I was trying to trick you somehow into posting specifics so I could accuse you of attacking people (not sure why you would think that) and I replied that there's nothing wrong with posting specifics as I don't consider that a personal attack.

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I won't do that because, you and I both know, it will add to the drama.


It's pretty transparent now that you were targeting a "select few" people by posting this thread, so it doesn't really matter if you post specifics or not (and I don't really care either way). Perhaps this issue would have been better handled by sending private messages to the individuals in question to avoid the drama you've already generated.

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I see now that I was right, you are trying to rile me up.


I'm sorry if you feel "riled up", I thought we were just discussing and clarifying the details of this topic. If even this discussion is upsetting you, I'm not really sure how much softening of tone by the "select few" will help.

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Your comment 'that's how the business world works' is not an excuse for people to act this way.


Agreed. Ideally everyone would post perfectly so there would be no chance to read in any rudeness, but they don't. Since you can't really change people's posting styles, your options are to skip content by the offending posters, read it and deal with the rudeness, or leave the forum altogether.

For example, I thought much of Kendall's last post was rude and unnecessary, so I'm simply not replying to it. (FWIW I usually sleep between 11:30pm-7:30am, and that post was written at 11pm.)
post #28 of 116
cowboy.gif All we need is looove...love... love.

Seriously though, some questions are just begging for a virtual slap upside the head. I just read one about someone contemplating a 6 tier cake and not even knowing what supports are required.

Some will come in here and argue that the individual is a newbie, so he/she should be spoon-fed. NO. There are too many resources online and in books for folks to be walking around completely ignorant and waiting to be fed information. Now, nobody knows everything there is to know about caking. There will be times when even the pros want to know how a specific design was executed but there are some things that should be basic knowledge before one accepts to do some cakes; things like understanding that a six tier cake is not just cake piled on top of cake.

Sometimes I try to answer a thread question by doing a Google search, and come up with so many appropriate hits that I just have to shut the page down and SMH because it's obvious the OP didn't take the initiative for a simple Google search. For example, pricing has been discussed to pieces on CC, there are literally HUNDREDS of posts on pricing, many of them saying the same thing. A simple search would answer the question but noooo, folks want to be bottle-fed the info. Other times when I'm in the mood I post a response with multiple links (I have a number of those multi-link posts floating around).

I'm not the most patient person, and more times than not, I try to exercise some restraint (like not responding to that thread) but man, some threads are just asking for it. Le sigh.
post #29 of 116
We're all adults, we know who the bullies on the playground are and we just ignore them, take the constructive information we need and move on.
post #30 of 116
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Originally Posted by ellawillow

Hahaha - Kendall it is true, you do automatically want to sing that line. I have nothing to add of any importance, just could tell you were Aussie. Your reply made me both smile and nod my head....same weird sense of humour icon_lol.gif (Oh and another LEO I see.....good stuff).....

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Originally Posted by carmijok

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Originally Posted by Danielle_loves_cake

And Carmijok, I'm so sorry to hear about your kitty. I read it in a recent post. Was it the one in your picture with the melon on his head? That picture is so cute!

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Thanks. No... that's an internet picture. My cat was black with gold eyes. She would have never allowed a lime on her head! icon_lol.gif



I am surprised anyone got a lime on any cats head....being 'supreme creatures' that they are it must have been a dog behind it icon_wink.gif




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