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post #16 of 79
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Originally Posted by prettycupcake

I never knew that putting a flyer on someones car was that offensive. I nver threw the flyers I received on my car on the ground. First because I don't litter second I think thats really disrespectful throwing someones hard work on the floor. Believe it or not flyers are hard work and they cost someone $$. But I respect laws and regulations so I wont be doing that anymore.



I don't litter either and others who do is one of my pet peeves.

I don't care how much work you put into your flyer or how much money it cost you. If I find that thing on my car it is going into the bin, unread.
post #17 of 79
Maybe it's just me, but I am not a huge fan of the business name. I don't feel like you should have a business name with sexual overtones unless that is part of your marketing strategy (i.e. erotic bakery). Definitely consider revising your website. Look into local colleges and see if anyone wants to take on that project.

You do very nice work. You should showcase some of your nicest work on your homepage. I also think you should expand on your flavors a bit.

Also, try tapping into something that BV doesn't do. I am not familiar with his products, but maybe look into allergy-friendly products or try to find something else he doesn't do.

Definitely narrow down your target market because that will make it easy to determine what your products will be.

Good luck!
post #18 of 79
If your target market is weddings you do NOT want to be using flyers like that. I'm also one of the people who ignore/throw out/get annoyed by flyers, and that kind of thing isn't going to win you any bridal love.

Your best bet is to find a wedding networking group in your area, advertise in wedding magazines (not national ones, local ones that actually have a circulation, you'll need to research that), contact venues and planners, that kind of thing. Wedding cake business is a different animal, and not always a kind one.
post #19 of 79
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Originally Posted by vgcea

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Originally Posted by prettycupcake



I never knew that putting a flyer on someones car was that offensive. I nver threw the flyers I received on my car on the ground. First because I don't litter second I think thats really disrespectful throwing someones hard work on the floor. Believe it or not flyers are hard work and they cost someone $$. But I respect laws and regulations so I wont be doing that anymore.



Exactly, so now I have to take time out to find a trash can to throw away a flyer I never asked for, and am completely uninterested in. Nuisance of the highest order. It's the same as the people who leave flyers on the door. More trash for me to deal with. Nuisance, nuisance, nuisance! It's disrespectful for someone to leave their property on mine when I did not ask for it. Don't touch my car, and don't touch my door, and don't leave trash for me to deal with. Did I say nuisance? NUISANCE!



Please tell me whats on your mind!! I feel like your holding back..lol...You know many times I skim through the Forums and I read some of the posts and I reply to try and be as helpful as I can, I never just bluntly and rudely come out and make harsh statements like you are doing. This Cake Central community has always been so helpful to me. Yea sometimes I don't agree with what someone has to say but I don't come out and call them a "Nuisance" and be a jerk about it. I don't care if you didn't call me directly a nuisance but you called what Im doing a nuisance like my attention was to annoy people.You make it sound like putting flyers is vandalizing someone personal property!!!! There was a better way of stating that you don't like flyers. The is a support forum and I posted on here to get peoples opinion not to be called names. Allot of people replied with some criticism about this or that of what Im doing or did but they also supplied me with some helpful words and advice not just posted negatively and left it at that. In my opinion please stop replying to members posts if you have nothing good to say at all!!!!
post #20 of 79
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Originally Posted by costumeczar

If your target market is weddings you do NOT want to be using flyers like that. I'm also one of the people who ignore/throw out/get annoyed by flyers, and that kind of thing isn't going to win you any bridal love.

Your best bet is to find a wedding networking group in your area, advertise in wedding magazines (not national ones, local ones that actually have a circulation, you'll need to research that), contact venues and planners, that kind of thing. Wedding cake business is a different animal, and not always a kind one.



Thank you so much..I'm definitely going to look into that..This is great advice. Now to figure out what to d with my 2500 flyers lol
post #21 of 79
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Originally Posted by AnnieCahill

Maybe it's just me, but I am not a huge fan of the business name. I don't feel like you should have a business name with sexual overtones unless that is part of your marketing strategy (i.e. erotic bakery). Definitely consider revising your website. Look into local colleges and see if anyone wants to take on that project.

You do very nice work. You should showcase some of your nicest work on your homepage. I also think you should expand on your flavors a bit.

Also, try tapping into something that BV doesn't do. I am not familiar with his products, but maybe look into allergy-friendly products or try to find something else he doesn't do.

Definitely narrow down your target market because that will make it easy to determine what your products will be.

Good luck!



To tell you the truth I LOVE my name...I did allot or research when I was naming my business. I'm definitely not the only fetish lol..there is sweet fetish, cake fetish, fondant fetish. etc...The list is long. I know the name is risky but I feel it makes me stand out. I know not everyone is a big fan of it and I completely understand if you are not. On the other hand, I love that suggestion of finding something he doesn't do and doing it...I will definitely being doing this. Thank you so much for the helpful advice!!
post #22 of 79
Just an aside, I don't think that vgcea meant that you personally are a nuisance, but that the experience of having to deal with unsolicited stuff being put where you then have to deal with it is a nuisance. I have to agree...And the brides that I talk to agree too. They don't like it when people send them emails, direct mail etc. They get so much of it it gets to the point that they just ignore it, or actively won't buy from the people who send them things.

You could always put the flyers up on community bulletin boards, like in Panera or the library. Or at preschools, daycares etc if you want to do littel kids' birthday cakes. Or save them for handing out if you do a wedding show eventually. Or just write them off as a business expense. Everyone has tons of marketing materials that make their way into the recyciling eventually, not every advertising campaign is successful.
post #23 of 79
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Originally Posted by costumeczar

Just an aside, I don't think that vgcea meant that you personally are a nuisance, but that the experience of having to deal with unsolicited stuff being put where you then have to deal with it is a nuisance. I have to agree...And the brides that I talk to agree too. They don't like it when people send them emails, direct mail etc. They get so much of it it gets to the point that they just ignore it, or actively won't buy from the people who send them things.

You could always put the flyers up on community bulletin boards, like in Panera or the library. Or at preschools, daycares etc if you want to do littel kids' birthday cakes. Or save them for handing out if you do a wedding show eventually. Or just write them off as a business expense. Everyone has tons of marketing materials that make their way into the recyciling eventually, not every advertising campaign is successful.



I totally agree with you..Actually I think you made me see the light...Its not what she said but how she said it. I know everyone is entitled to their opinion but I think the approach and choice of words was a little too much, at least for me. I guess maybe Im a little on the sensitive side today. Like my Original post said Im feeling really down and sensitive. Im definitely going to use everything you suggested. I really do appreciate and value your opinion and advice.
post #24 of 79
I just thought I should clarify something. What I meant by expand on your flavors was to give the potential customers a very detailed description. For example, really emphasize the quality ingredients you use (vanilla bean paste, liqueurs, etc). Let them envision the cake taste and texture from your description, if that makes sense. It sounds corny but it works. If you bake from scratch, definitely advertise that!

But definitely put a lot into your website. In today's technology-based world, people go to the web first 99% of the time.
post #25 of 79
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Originally Posted by AnnieCahill

I just thought I should clarify something. What I meant by expand on your flavors was to give the potential customers a very detailed description. For example, really emphasize the quality ingredients you use (vanilla bean paste, liqueurs, etc). Let them envision the cake taste and texture from your description, if that makes sense. It sounds corny but it works. If you bake from scratch, definitely advertise that!

But definitely put a lot into your website. In today's technology-based world, people go to the web first 99% of the time.



yes...make them hungry with the descriptions of your cake.
post #26 of 79
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Originally Posted by prettycupcake

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Originally Posted by costumeczar

Just an aside, I don't think that vgcea meant that you personally are a nuisance, but that the experience of having to deal with unsolicited stuff being put where you then have to deal with it is a nuisance. I have to agree...And the brides that I talk to agree too. They don't like it when people send them emails, direct mail etc. They get so much of it it gets to the point that they just ignore it, or actively won't buy from the people who send them things.

You could always put the flyers up on community bulletin boards, like in Panera or the library. Or at preschools, daycares etc if you want to do littel kids' birthday cakes. Or save them for handing out if you do a wedding show eventually. Or just write them off as a business expense. Everyone has tons of marketing materials that make their way into the recyciling eventually, not every advertising campaign is successful.



I totally agree with you..Actually I think you made me see the light...Its not what she said but how she said it. I know everyone is entitled to their opinion but I think the approach and choice of words was a little too much, at least for me. I guess maybe Im a little on the sensitive side today. Like my Original post said Im feeling really down and sensitive. Im definitely going to use everything you suggested. I really do appreciate and value your opinion and advice.



Thanks Costumeczar.

@ OP: I was going to say something about reading comprehension and be truly mean but since you're a little on the "sensitive side" now, I'll hold my tongue (or, in this case, my fingers).
post #27 of 79
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Again that you everyone who had some advice for and helped me see what I was doing wrong. I most certainly see where I went wrong...So glad to have the forum to fall back on when things just aren't going right. Starting a business and knowing the rights from wrongs is certainly not easy. Thank you all!!
post #28 of 79
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Originally Posted by vgcea

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Originally Posted by prettycupcake

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Originally Posted by costumeczar

Just an aside, I don't think that vgcea meant that you personally are a nuisance, but that the experience of having to deal with unsolicited stuff being put where you then have to deal with it is a nuisance. I have to agree...And the brides that I talk to agree too. They don't like it when people send them emails, direct mail etc. They get so much of it it gets to the point that they just ignore it, or actively won't buy from the people who send them things.

You could always put the flyers up on community bulletin boards, like in Panera or the library. Or at preschools, daycares etc if you want to do littel kids' birthday cakes. Or save them for handing out if you do a wedding show eventually. Or just write them off as a business expense. Everyone has tons of marketing materials that make their way into the recyciling eventually, not every advertising campaign is successful.



I totally agree with you..Actually I think you made me see the light...Its not what she said but how she said it. I know everyone is entitled to their opinion but I think the approach and choice of words was a little too much, at least for me. I guess maybe Im a little on the sensitive side today. Like my Original post said Im feeling really down and sensitive. Im definitely going to use everything you suggested. I really do appreciate and value your opinion and advice.



Thanks Costumeczar.

@ OP: I was going to say something about reading comprehension and be truly mean but since you're a little on the "sensitive side" now, I'll hold my tongue (or, in this case, my fingers).



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post #29 of 79
See that's the problem with posting on this sight. It's like getting in a cat fight from the get go. Nearly every post, on every topic has someone who who takes a fit of somekind. I have a business of a different kind and i have flyers that have made me lots of money. It is not illegal to put flyers on houses or cars and i will stand behind me flyers 100 percent. Go to wedding expos with your flyers and pass them out, if that IS illegal than see if you can place them on cars outside that venue. Post ads every other day on craigslist in your area, put up a facebook page of your cakes and show them to your friends and family and watch the word spread. Offer a discount on your flyers like 5 % off your first order. If you check out the other bakers on facebook through craigslist you will see how many people like there cakes and ask there prices and then they tell them to call them for a quote.
Do not be discouraged from some on CC, you will find that alot of them get into cat fights all the time on here.
Everyone has very strong opinions on EVERYTHING. BTW i get lots of business from my flyers for my other business, it just takes a little while. I will get a call like " i have your flyer from a while back and i was just wondering if i can make an appointment."


when the CFL passes here in california, i will try my business but i will not give up my day job cuz i make way more money than i ever could making cakes. However i love making cakes and it is something i would love to try.
Although CC kinda takes the fun out of all of it when there are so many cat fights.

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post #30 of 79
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Originally Posted by bnbmom

See that's the problem with posting on this sight. It's like getting in a cat fight from the get go. Nearly every post, on every topic has someone who who takes a fit of somekind.


I'm not sure how accurate that is. In my experience the vast majority of posts do not have this kind of drama, it's just that the small minority that do are more memorable.

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It is not illegal to put flyers on houses or cars and i will stand behind me flyers 100 percent.


According to the OP it is illegal, at least in some areas.

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Go to wedding expos with your flyers and pass them out, if that IS illegal than see if you can place them on cars outside that venue. Post ads every other day on craigslist in your area, put up a facebook page of your cakes and show them to your friends and family and watch the word spread. Offer a discount on your flyers like 5 % off your first order.


I agree that a FB page is valuable, but you'll want to be careful with the other advertising strategies you mentioned like posting on Craigslist and offering discounts. If you want to focus on the low end of the market that's fine, but if you want to compete on quality instead of price and target upscale customers you'll want to stay far away from CL and littering with flyers, and pricing too low or offering discounts may even be seen as a negative with upscale customers.
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