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post #1 of 29
8/30/12 at 2:30pm
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I just applied for a job at a cake supply shop. In talking to the guy he informated me who ever they hire must bake cakes at their home and take them into the shop to complete any work. In CA this is NOT legal (w/the health dept). Also while talking to him there was a photo album on the counter that I quickly scanned. There were copyright cakes (wilton shaped - like ariel & micky) so I'm assuming one would be asked to make these - copyright voilation.
I need a job. It would be a real blessing to work close to home and in the industry BUT............ would you?
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post #2 of 29
8/30/12 at 2:39pm
I would be very concerned with someone who is so blatant about breaking the law. You could possibly be held liable if you bake cakes at home for them. I totally understand needing a job, but you should consider that this business owner is dishonest and untrustworthy. Not good qualities in an employer.
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post #3 of 29
8/30/12 at 2:51pm
At any moment this cake supply shop could be shut down by the health department. If I were to take the job it would be contingent on me working out a licensed and inspected rental kitchen with the cake supply shop paying the rent (or an on-site licensed kitchen if they can build one).

FYI, we will find out by the end of the day tomorrow if the California CFL has passed the Senate. If it has (and the governor signs it) you may be able to legally sell homemade cakes to the cake supply shop wholesale, but I believe it would still be illegal if you were baking at home as an employee of the shop.
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post #4 of 29
8/30/12 at 3:24pm
What, exactly does "bake cakes at home" mean? Who's paying for supplies, who's paying for your electricity bill and other overhead? How would you go about calculating your overhead? Who would decide how much you are being reimbursed for your costs? How would you keep track of your hours worked at home in order to calculate a fair wage for your labor?

Even if it were legal there are far too many points at which this sort of venture could wind up actually costing you money.
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post #5 of 29
8/30/12 at 4:10pm
no. no no. no. no. noooooooooo.
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post #6 of 29
8/30/12 at 4:38pm
My jaw is still on the floor...............Where in the world would a business owner come up with such a silly requirement for an employee??

Why would he want to accept the liability of a such a scheme (or would he?)???
How would payment be calculated? By the cake, by the hourly wage for the employee?

I do know that jobs are hard to come by, but this sounds like a BAD one. If he's willing to be so blatant in providing copyrighted/character cakes AND cakes made in home kitchens (currently against the law in CA), I don't want to think about what other ways he might be willing to compromise an employee for his own gain....................

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post #7 of 29
8/30/12 at 5:11pm
Run away as fast as you can!!! This is unbelievable! I think the reasons have already been covered by those who have already posted. This can turn around and bite you in the butt on so many levels with liability being the top one. I know what it is like to really need a job but I think you have already made up your mind and you just needed a little support that your decision was right. Consider yourself supported! icon_biggrin.gif
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post #8 of 29
8/30/12 at 6:43pm
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thanks for your replies. Most of them are my thoughts too.
As for the many ?s posed here, I didn't get into any details with him as he was not the one who would be doing the interview (he said). I have no idea if anyone else has put in an application at this point. This man was quite the talker. I had a time getting out of there. He had an answer for everything I objected to (oh, the HD turns a blind eye...)
The shop is suppose to be 'set up' to be able to do cakes, they just don't have the oven yet, I'm told. I've know that for about 10 yrs since they moved into that location. This is a new owner - about 2 yrs.
I'm going to at least see this out.... go to any interview they set up.....but won't accept under any of the above terms I've mentioned....icon_smile.gif
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post #9 of 29
8/30/12 at 7:31pm
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Originally Posted by kakeladi

thanks for your replies. Most of them are my thoughts too.
As for the many ?s posed here, I didn't get into any details with him as he was not the one who would be doing the interview (he said). I have no idea if anyone else has put in an application at this point. This man was quite the talker. I had a time getting out of there. He had an answer for everything I objected to (oh, the HD turns a blind eye...)
The shop is suppose to be 'set up' to be able to do cakes, they just don't have the oven yet, I'm told. I've know that for about 10 yrs since they moved into that location. This is a new owner - about 2 yrs.
I'm going to at least see this out.... go to any interview they set up.....but won't accept under any of the above terms I've mentioned....icon_smile.gif



Whoa! the HD "turns a blind eye?" Not only would I not take that job, I'd drop a dime to the HD and tell them what he said!
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post #10 of 29
8/31/12 at 4:38am
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Originally Posted by kakeladi

thanks for your replies. Most of them are my thoughts too.
As for the many ?s posed here, I didn't get into any details with him as he was not the one who would be doing the interview (he said). I have no idea if anyone else has put in an application at this point. This man was quite the talker. I had a time getting out of there. He had an answer for everything I objected to (oh, the HD turns a blind eye...)
The shop is suppose to be 'set up' to be able to do cakes, they just don't have the oven yet, I'm told. I've know that for about 10 yrs since they moved into that location. This is a new owner - about 2 yrs.
I'm going to at least see this out.... go to any interview they set up.....but won't accept under any of the above terms I've mentioned....icon_smile.gif



Whoa! the HD "turns a blind eye?" Not only would I not take that job, I'd drop a dime to the HD and tell them what he said!



Agreed! Dollars to doughnuts this place gets caught and this guy will find a way to put all the blame on YOUR shoulders. And if this is the attitude towards obeying the law, I wonder what other health and safety he's willing to turn a blind eye to. I just can't imagine why you would want to put yourself in that position, needing a job or not. Is it really worth the risk for you?
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post #11 of 29
8/31/12 at 5:31am
My sister once worked at a coffee shop that sold sandwiches. Their only oven was a toaster oven in the back of the shop. The owner would roast turkeys at home, then bring them in to be used on the sandwiches. She would tell the HD that she roasted the turkey in the toaster oven. And they let that go. I'm willing to believe the HD turns a blind eye more often than we'd like to think.
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post #12 of 29
8/31/12 at 8:48am
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The owner would roast turkeys at home, then bring them in to be used on the sandwiches. She would tell the HD that she roasted the turkey in the toaster oven. And they let that go. I'm willing to believe the HD turns a blind eye more often than we'd like to think.


That's more an example of the business owner lying to the authorities than the HD turning a blind eye. If the business owner had told the HD that she roasted the turkeys at home I doubt they would just let that go.

Enforcement in central California is probably more lax than in the major metro areas, but it would still only take one tip to cause trouble.
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post #13 of 29
8/31/12 at 9:01am
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Originally Posted by kelleym

The owner would roast turkeys at home, then bring them in to be used on the sandwiches. She would tell the HD that she roasted the turkey in the toaster oven. And they let that go. I'm willing to believe the HD turns a blind eye more often than we'd like to think.


That's more an example of the business owner lying to the authorities than the HD turning a blind eye. If the business owner had told the HD that she roasted the turkeys at home I doubt they would just let that go.


No, it's an example of the HD turning a blind eye. It is implausible that any adult with a professional job could believe a *turkey* could be roasted in a *toaster oven*. So if it's not a blind eye, it's an appalling lack of deductive reasoning that rises to the level of sheer incompetence.
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post #14 of 29
8/31/12 at 9:06am
Okay, maybe I read it wrong, but since when does a cake supply shop make cakes?

Don't they sell supplies and give help to people making their own cakes? That's the main reason to have the employees also be experienced cake people, to help customers, but not to bake cakes to be brought in to sell??

Sounds shady on so many levels, and who knows about the HD. My husband has been in MANY restaurants in his job and he says most of them he would NEVER eat there.
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post #15 of 29
8/31/12 at 9:10am
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No, it's an example of the HD turning a blind eye. It is implausible that any adult with a professional job could believe a *turkey* could be roasted in a *toaster oven*. So if it's not a blind eye, it's an appalling lack of deductive reasoning that rises to the level of sheer incompetence.


It's certainly possible to roast a turkey in a toaster oven, many toaster ovens are essentially countertop convection ovens these days that can easily handle a small to medium size turkey.
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