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post #16 of 28
Quote:
Originally Posted by 61999

From what this person was proposing they would not be paying me wages, I would get about 60% of whatever the wedding cake cost but I also have to pay for the ingredients, deliver it plus the gas and mileage. Ludicrous, I know.

I was just wondering what people normally negotiate when doing wedding cakes for a caterer if they are not a "full time employee". At the end of the year a 1099 form would be issued to me for monies received.



They are attempting to hire you as a subcontractor. There are several threads about subcontracted services... this one might be helpful:
http://cakecentral.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=638033&highlight=subcontracted

BTW, when I made wedding cakes for caterers they were never paid a fee or commission. Everything was done by me, I was referred by them.
HOW TO:
Make tip #127D (giant rose tip) Ruffle cake,
Write with icing,
Make buttercream roses on a stick:
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HOW TO:
Make tip #127D (giant rose tip) Ruffle cake,
Write with icing,
Make buttercream roses on a stick:
http://s984.photobucket.com/albums/ae322/Unlimited1cakes/
Reply
post #17 of 28
Quote:
Originally Posted by 61999

From what this person was proposing they would not be paying me wages, I would get about 60% of whatever the wedding cake cost but I also have to pay for the ingredients, deliver it plus the gas and mileage. Ludicrous, I know.

I was just wondering what people normally negotiate when doing wedding cakes for a caterer if they are not a "full time employee". At the end of the year a 1099 form would be issued to me for monies received.



They are attempting to hire you as a subcontractor. There are several threads about subcontracted services... this one might be helpful:
http://cakecentral.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=638033&highlight=subcontracted

BTW, when I made wedding cakes for caterers they were never paid a fee or commission. Everything was done by me, I was referred by them.
HOW TO:
Make tip #127D (giant rose tip) Ruffle cake,
Write with icing,
Make buttercream roses on a stick:
http://s984.photobucket.com/albums/ae322/Unlimited1cakes/
Reply
HOW TO:
Make tip #127D (giant rose tip) Ruffle cake,
Write with icing,
Make buttercream roses on a stick:
http://s984.photobucket.com/albums/ae322/Unlimited1cakes/
Reply
post #18 of 28
Quote:
Originally Posted by 61999

From what this person was proposing they would not be paying me wages, I would get about 60% of whatever the wedding cake cost but I also have to pay for the ingredients, deliver it plus the gas and mileage. Ludicrous, I know.

I was just wondering what people normally negotiate when doing wedding cakes for a caterer if they are not a "full time employee". At the end of the year a 1099 form would be issued to me for monies received.



They are attempting to hire you as a subcontractor. There are several threads about subcontracted services... this one might be helpful:
http://cakecentral.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=638033&highlight=subcontracted

BTW, when I made wedding cakes for caterers they were never paid a fee or commission. Everything was done by me, I was referred by them.
HOW TO:
Make tip #127D (giant rose tip) Ruffle cake,
Write with icing,
Make buttercream roses on a stick:
http://s984.photobucket.com/albums/ae322/Unlimited1cakes/
Reply
HOW TO:
Make tip #127D (giant rose tip) Ruffle cake,
Write with icing,
Make buttercream roses on a stick:
http://s984.photobucket.com/albums/ae322/Unlimited1cakes/
Reply
post #19 of 28
Quote:
Originally Posted by 61999

From what this person was proposing they would not be paying me wages, I would get about 60% of whatever the wedding cake cost but I also have to pay for the ingredients, deliver it plus the gas and mileage. Ludicrous, I know.

I was just wondering what people normally negotiate when doing wedding cakes for a caterer if they are not a "full time employee". At the end of the year a 1099 form would be issued to me for monies received.



They are attempting to hire you as a subcontractor. There are several threads about subcontracted services... this one might be helpful:
http://cakecentral.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=638033&highlight=subcontracted

BTW, when I made wedding cakes for caterers they were never paid a fee or commission. Everything was done by me, I was referred by them.
HOW TO:
Make tip #127D (giant rose tip) Ruffle cake,
Write with icing,
Make buttercream roses on a stick:
http://s984.photobucket.com/albums/ae322/Unlimited1cakes/
Reply
HOW TO:
Make tip #127D (giant rose tip) Ruffle cake,
Write with icing,
Make buttercream roses on a stick:
http://s984.photobucket.com/albums/ae322/Unlimited1cakes/
Reply
post #20 of 28
Quote:
Originally Posted by 61999

Quote:
Originally Posted by ApplegumPam

I don't understand what you mean by 'working under a caterer'



From what this person was proposing they would not be paying me wages, I would get about 60% of whatever the wedding cake cost but I also have to pay for the ingredients, deliver it plus the gas and mileage. Ludicrous, I know.
Oh walk away.... you are being ripped off.
Here in Australia...
Event planner contacts a Caker...
Event planner asks how much would an ABC cake cost.
Caker gives total cost - including delivery.
Event planner goes back to customer and gives the ABC price + HER mark up.
You pay your own tax as the your income goes through your books

Now if you are using the Event Planners Kitchen - farenough - you would have to pay for gads/ekectric/water - that is all.
And this should be a completly different transaction besides the cake.

I only did one cake for an Event Planner - never again.
It was because another Caker fell ill and couldn't make the wedding cake.
Too much stuffing around - dealing through the Event Planner and not the customer.... not worth the emails back and forth ..and the phone calls from the Event Planner wondering how i was going. Pftttt, never again.

Bluehue


I was just wondering what people normally negotiate when doing wedding cakes for a caterer if they are not a "full time employee". At the end of the year a 1099 form would be issued to me for monies received.
post #21 of 28
Quote:
Originally Posted by 61999

Quote:
Originally Posted by ApplegumPam

I don't understand what you mean by 'working under a caterer'



From what this person was proposing they would not be paying me wages, I would get about 60% of whatever the wedding cake cost but I also have to pay for the ingredients, deliver it plus the gas and mileage. Ludicrous, I know.
Oh walk away.... you are being ripped off.
Here in Australia...
Event planner contacts a Caker...
Event planner asks how much would an ABC cake cost.
Caker gives total cost - including delivery.
Event planner goes back to customer and gives the ABC price + HER mark up.
You pay your own tax as the your income goes through your books

Now if you are using the Event Planners Kitchen - farenough - you would have to pay for gads/ekectric/water - that is all.
And this should be a completly different transaction besides the cake.

I only did one cake for an Event Planner - never again.
It was because another Caker fell ill and couldn't make the wedding cake.
Too much stuffing around - dealing through the Event Planner and not the customer.... not worth the emails back and forth ..and the phone calls from the Event Planner wondering how i was going. Pftttt, never again.

Bluehue


I was just wondering what people normally negotiate when doing wedding cakes for a caterer if they are not a "full time employee". At the end of the year a 1099 form would be issued to me for monies received.
post #22 of 28
OP your posts are a little confusing but from what I grasp, you're being taken advantage of.

You pay the cost, labor, and delivery while all she does is recommend you (which she should be doing anyway since she's a planner and the client is paying her already for such services).

Have you tried looking around for rental rates for other kitchens? Calculate the cost of using her kitchen (your current arrangement including the hefty chunk of your cake money you're giving her) and compare it to renting on your own. It might be cheaper overall to cut this person off, if not you both need to renegotiate new and fair terms.

How many cake decorators does she have working under these conditions? I bet not many. It doesn't seem right.
post #23 of 28
OP your posts are a little confusing but from what I grasp, you're being taken advantage of.

You pay the cost, labor, and delivery while all she does is recommend you (which she should be doing anyway since she's a planner and the client is paying her already for such services).

Have you tried looking around for rental rates for other kitchens? Calculate the cost of using her kitchen (your current arrangement including the hefty chunk of your cake money you're giving her) and compare it to renting on your own. It might be cheaper overall to cut this person off, if not you both need to renegotiate new and fair terms.

How many cake decorators does she have working under these conditions? I bet not many. It doesn't seem right.
post #24 of 28
OP your posts are a little confusing but from what I grasp, you're being taken advantage of.

You pay the cost, labor, and delivery while all she does is recommend you (which she should be doing anyway since she's a planner and the client is paying her already for such services).

Have you tried looking around for rental rates for other kitchens? Calculate the cost of using her kitchen (your current arrangement including the hefty chunk of your cake money you're giving her) and compare it to renting on your own. It might be cheaper overall to cut this person off, if not you both need to renegotiate new and fair terms.

How many cake decorators does she have working under these conditions? I bet not many. It doesn't seem right.
post #25 of 28
OP your posts are a little confusing but from what I grasp, you're being taken advantage of.

You pay the cost, labor, and delivery while all she does is recommend you (which she should be doing anyway since she's a planner and the client is paying her already for such services).

Have you tried looking around for rental rates for other kitchens? Calculate the cost of using her kitchen (your current arrangement including the hefty chunk of your cake money you're giving her) and compare it to renting on your own. It might be cheaper overall to cut this person off, if not you both need to renegotiate new and fair terms.

How many cake decorators does she have working under these conditions? I bet not many. It doesn't seem right.
post #26 of 28
Quote:
Originally Posted by jason_kraft

That is a huge commission you'll be paying the event planner. You would probably be better off operating as an entirely separate business entity and just paying rent, reputable event planners don't ask for referral fees or commissions.



I agree with this. Keep it separate and pay rent only.
post #27 of 28
I don't understand the confusion. If you pay rent to make your cakes, why would you also pay them a comission on top of the rent, just because they bring you a customer. I actually work for a caterer. I get customers from them all the time. I pay them nothing. The one time the did book a wedding cake, Itold them what my pay would be for them to have me make the cake for them. They opted not to do that again, but have me contract my own clients.
post #28 of 28
Quote:
Originally Posted by QTCakes1

I don't understand the confusion. If you pay rent to make your cakes, why would you also pay them a comission on top of the rent, just because they bring you a customer.


The situation outlined in the OP is that the baker would pay rent (no commission) when making cakes for their own clients, but would not pay rent (just a super-high commission) when making cakes for the event planner.
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