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Does your boss haggle over YOUR pay???

post #1 of 20
8/13/12 at 3:22pm
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I just have to vent quickly.....I just had a former client contact me to do a two tier cake complete with sculpted figures, airbrushing, and a detailed sculpted topper.....and I quoted a price....$150 which included a smash cake and delivery over 30 miles away. It was $50 over her budget. I waived the delivery fee and told her $125 was the best I could do. She continued to try to find a way to come down to $100, including doing the design in buttercream. It bothers me that I would do the same work for half the price and still no delivery fee. I guess my price structure is at fault there and it's my fault for waiving the delivery. But others in the area are undercutting my prices almost by half. I have not changed my prices in five years....which means they haven't went up either. Now others are telling me I should lower mine.
Some days I'm just ready to quit. I'm not getting much business these days anyway. Would I be like some famous artist? If I quit, could I become famous? LOL icon_cry.gif Ugh.......fun, fun, fun.....
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post #2 of 20
8/13/12 at 4:13pm
I know it's frustrating. Rather than lowering my price I would offer another design option that would meet her budget. Otherwise, I would let her walk....

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post #3 of 20
8/13/12 at 4:16pm
I know it's frustrating. Rather than lowering my price I would offer another design option that would meet her budget. Otherwise, I would let her walk....

Minette
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post #4 of 20
8/13/12 at 4:22pm
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Thank you for responding Minette, I considered that option....I charge half the price for a buttercream cake vs. fondant. I didn't want to go there for many reasons, cheapening the design of the cake, air brush on bc is so fragile, stability, but mainly it broke my heart to think that people have absolutely no problem asking you to do the SAME amount of work for HALF the price! I pointed out that I wasn't charging her extra for the figurines, simply charging based on the number of servings....my mistake. But I couldn't help but think that I am being generous here, and people don't care. I don't think she thought about it that way, but really, what happened to the customers that thought your product tastes great, your work is artistic and they can see that you put hours and your heart into your work and recognize that it's worth every penny???? I don't know where they went, but I miss them...... thumbs_up.gif
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post #5 of 20
8/13/12 at 4:57pm
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Would I be like some famous artist? If I quit, could I become famous? LOL icon_cry.gif Ugh.......fun, fun, fun.....



I think you have to die first. icon_lol.gif
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post #6 of 20
8/13/12 at 5:17pm
My former boss did, which is why he is former.
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post #7 of 20
8/13/12 at 5:28pm
Sounds like you need to revisit your marketing strategy. If anything, you can probably raise your prices, depending on the size $150 for a 2 tier with that level of detail is pretty low, especially with delivery.
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post #8 of 20
8/13/12 at 5:36pm
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Thank you Jason! I'm serious when I say I think it's pretty low! I've been fairly upset over this pricing issue. There are plenty of ladies around here charging $2-3 per serving.....I've been charging $4 for fondant for five years. I recently lost a wedding to a bakery 40+ miles away because they were charging $3.25 per serving. The venue is only 6 miles from me.....so I'm scratching my head trying to figure out how they undercut me with delivery. Not only that, but the bride told me she expected them to do a fondant groom's cake to feed 50 for $50!!!!
Lately, this is all I am getting, price shopping....I am not the cheapest....and I don't WANT to be the cheapest! I want to have an opportunity to be creative and artistic and make people proud of their cake and visions....I refuse to do this.....
Is Walmart hiring? icon_eek.gif
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post #9 of 20
8/13/12 at 6:27pm
I just had this conversation with a couple of people yesterday, and have a blog post coming up about it. When you start negotiating your pricing you're putting yourself into the commodity category, which is basically price-driven. When you do that you totally negate the value of your product and place yourself squarely into the market for people who are just shopping for price. Stand firm on your pricing and don't let yourself fall into that trap!
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post #10 of 20
8/13/12 at 7:31pm
Looks like you got some really great advice here. I agree on re-visiting your marketing strategy and looking at your brand. I know how hard it is when people undercut in the market but the advice here is true and will set you on the right path.

I have lost a couple of jobs to cheap cakers and the customer came back and told me she was not satisfied with her "cheap" cake. Of course, she wasn't. She paid $50 for a carved and sculpted fancy fondant hat cake with lots of bling when the better cake artists told her it was up to $400 for it.

Brands have worth.
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post #11 of 20
8/14/12 at 3:40am
What she said... costumeczar.
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post #12 of 20
8/14/12 at 7:14am
Your cakes are worth a lot more than you are asking, it may be a case of being stuck between two markets; you're slightly too pricy for the rock bottom people but those willing to pay a premium might be suspicous of and thus put off by the relatively low price, I was in this position last year (2 years into baking) and since making a big price jump and marketing to some select housing estates I suspect there is some cake competition (and maybe cost bragging!) going on lol

I do get less work to be fair but I enjoy it so much more as it's more challenging and their requests can be totally nuts! Best of luck and don't give up!
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post #13 of 20
8/14/12 at 1:22pm
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Thanks ya'll! It's really putting things into perspective for me. I know you are right and I appreciate it. I'm going to our first cake club meeting in a couple of hours....hoping that will lift my spirits.....but after, I'm spending some time thinking on your advice....I think it's dead on. icon_smile.gif Thank you so much for your support and wisdom!
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post #14 of 20
8/14/12 at 8:33pm
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Originally Posted by costumeczar

I just had this conversation with a couple of people yesterday, and have a blog post coming up about it. When you start negotiating your pricing you're putting yourself into the commodity category, which is basically price-driven. When you do that you totally negate the value of your product and place yourself squarely into the market for people who are just shopping for price. Stand firm on your pricing and don't let yourself fall into that trap!



Is there anyway that I could be notified of this blog post? I cannot tell you how interested I would be in reading this. Not only am I struggling with this issue, but have decided to do research and speak about it at our cake club meeting in October.
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post #15 of 20
8/15/12 at 5:34am
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Originally Posted by MissMona

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Originally Posted by costumeczar

I just had this conversation with a couple of people yesterday, and have a blog post coming up about it. When you start negotiating your pricing you're putting yourself into the commodity category, which is basically price-driven. When you do that you totally negate the value of your product and place yourself squarely into the market for people who are just shopping for price. Stand firm on your pricing and don't let yourself fall into that trap!



Is there anyway that I could be notified of this blog post? I cannot tell you how interested I would be in reading this. Not only am I struggling with this issue, but have decided to do research and speak about it at our cake club meeting in October.



Sure, I'll let you know.
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