Can anyone please suggest a very pipealble frosting. I find the cream cheese butter cream is not firm enough, and I don't want to add 10 bucket loads of icing sugar. What other frosting's goes well with carrot and red velvet cake that holds its form really well . thank you kindly

I use a white chocolate cream cheese crusting buttercream that is a variation of IndyDebi's buttercream that Mamawrobin posted one day. It's in the 3rd page of this thread,

http://cakecentral.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=685989&postdays=0&postorder=asc&&start=30

It doesn't have a strong cream cheese flavour, but it taste awesome. I use it on red velvet as well., including piping it on cupcakes.

thank u kindly

you can also use your buttercream icing that you would normally use for piping and purchase the cream cheese flavoring by lorann's. It is delicious and you won't have to worry about refrigeration

I use cream cheese, but I keep my piping bags in the refrigerator and I switch them FREQUENTLY during the icing process for those types of cupcakes. I probably hold my piping bags strangely, in that I don't necessarily hold it close to the tip where my hand would warm it up; I'm usually able to just grip the twist I put in the bag to move the icing down. I fill it up again, put it back in the fridge and move to the bag which is already in the fridge.

I can make my cream cheese patterns look just like butter cream using this poorly described method.