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Best icing for outside in 96 deg heat?

post #1 of 19
7/6/12 at 1:10pm
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I just made a double batch of Indydebi's crisco icing and it has a greasy mouth-feel to me. Is it just me? Is there another recipe you'd suggest?
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post #2 of 19
7/6/12 at 2:23pm
Any icing recipe that uses all shortening probably will have that same mouth feel. Personally I don't notice it in most icings. It might be the perticular shortening you are using. Have you tried using Hi-ratio? That could make a difference. Also, add more flavoring....up to 2 Tablespoons per batch using 2#s of sugar.
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post #3 of 19
7/6/12 at 3:47pm
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I decided to just go ahead with it. I did use more vanilla though. Honestly, how many people are going to show up to sit outside when it's 96 deg? And these last few days,whatever temp they've been forecasting, you can add a few more deg's to it - so I wouldn't be surprised if tomorrow was 100.

I think this heat is getting to me. Our house is 80 and the air has been running constantly. It's about 105 here now. Thankfully the sun will be going down soon. I just wet down some stray kitties that have made our yard their home. It's hard to care about a cake right now.
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post #4 of 19
7/6/12 at 6:05pm
Fondant is the only way to go if you're outside in this kind of heat...
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post #5 of 19
7/6/12 at 6:40pm
Sharon Zambito'a recipe. She lives in Louisiana. All swear by it that uses it in the heat. If and when people don,t like fondant, then you have to use a b/ c recipe that withstands the heat as best as you can. Yes, try the hi-ratio that the op mentioned also. hth
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post #6 of 19
7/6/12 at 7:04pm
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Originally Posted by costumeczar

Fondant is the only way to go if you're outside in this kind of heat...



I have to agree! My daughter was married in 98 degree weather and her baker refused to put the her butter cream cake outside (good for him!). I find outdoor weddings do not go on schedule and the cake could suffer. My daughter's cake would have been in that heat for 3 hours before the cutting. I realize you have to do what the bride wants but if there is a way to keep it cold until cutting I would find out. Have you seen the video by Bronwen Weber called Melting WeddingCake?
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post #7 of 19
7/6/12 at 7:31pm
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Originally Posted by JWinslow

I have to agree! My daughter was married in 98 degree weather and her baker refused to put the her butter cream cake outside (good for him!). I find outdoor weddings do not go on schedule and the cake could suffer. My daughter's cake would have been in that heat for 3 hours before the cutting. I realize you have to do what the bride wants...



NO you do not always do what the bride wants, not if it interferes with food safety.

And I am perfectly sure that a bride wants to have a decent looking cake when she cuts it...not something that looks like a trifle that broke out of prison. And what if somebody takes that poor thing home after it sat in the hot sun for umpty hours, and let it sit some more and got food poisoning or diarrhea? Think they would be grateful?

It's up to the baker to explain what the safe and practical limits of cake/icing are at the time that the order is being discussed. Make sure the restrictions are written into the contract.
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post #8 of 19
7/6/12 at 7:47pm
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NO you do not always do what the bride wants, not if it interferes with food safety.

And I am perfectly sure that a bride wants to have a decent looking cake when she cuts it...not something that looks like a trifle that broke out of prison. And what if somebody takes that poor thing home after it sat in the hot sun for umpty hours, and let it sit some more and got food poisoning or diarrhea? Think they would be grateful?

It's up to the baker to explain what the safe and practical limits of cake/icing are at the time that the order is being discussed. Make sure the restrictions are written into the contract.[/quote]

Good Point(s). I stand corrected - Thank you
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post #9 of 19
7/7/12 at 5:20am
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Originally Posted by BakingIrene

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And I am perfectly sure that a bride wants to have a decent looking cake when she cuts it...not something that looks like a trifle that broke out of prison. .



"trifle breaking out of prison." hahaha! Best mental image of the day!

I have brides come to me all the time who tell me that this or that baker assured them that they could "adjus the formula" of the buttercream so that it won't melt. That is total BS, and it just means that they'll pull all of the butter out of the icing, use an entirely shortening-based one and cross their fingers. All-crisco icings don't taste as good IMO, and in the 104 degree heat they're predicting for this afternoon yes, it will still melt. I won't do buttercream for an outdoor recpetion from May-September, and April and October are debateable. If they don't like it they can go buy a melting cake from another baker, but that's what they'll get, a melting cake.
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post #10 of 19
7/7/12 at 6:30am
Any of my summer brides (and a few of the early Fall too) get a warning from me that if the temps outside go above a certain point, their wedding cake WILL be covered with fondant to protect it - or I just can't take the order, because I have my business to protect. You hardly ever see compliments on line but if something goes wrong BAM!!! you see a flood of negatives............not good for business.............so I don't even want to go there. "An ounce of prevention"
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post #11 of 19
7/7/12 at 11:18am
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Scratch that 96 deg - it's now 105 and we haven't hit the hottest part of the day yet. I will have the stand on ice, but really, even all crisco won't last in this. If I have to ever do this again I will do the fondant, but it's already done. I'll have to get a quick pic of the grad with it before it dissolves. It really makes me sad - I think this cake was my best work!
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post #12 of 19
7/7/12 at 1:49pm
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Originally Posted by Wildgirl

Scratch that 96 deg - it's now 105 and we haven't hit the hottest part of the day yet...... I'll have to get a quick pic of the grad with it before it dissolves. It really makes me sad - I think this cake was my best work!



Yes cake is ephemeral. But the computer experts tell us "what you post on the internet is forever" so maybe the pictures on this site will live on.

I had been thinking of making a cake so that I could test an idea for hot weather buttercream. But it's too hot to bake...I think I will just plaster the icing onto a dish and see how it does.
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post #13 of 19
7/7/12 at 2:26pm
I put a little cake outside last year in the shade at around 6pm, since that's how brides usually tell me their cake will be different than every other melted cake. It melted. http://acaketorememberva.blogspot.com/2011/07/baby-its-hot-outside.html
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post #14 of 19
7/7/12 at 2:45pm
All this is making me really nervous about the cake that i have to make at the end of this month....not sure how good the venue AC is.
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post #15 of 19
7/7/12 at 3:45pm
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Originally Posted by kazita

All this is making me really nervous about the cake that i have to make at the end of this month....not sure how good the venue AC is.



Oh yeah, you should see the section of my contract where I address temperature...It's slightly ridiculous but it makes the point to the brides that I'm not responsible for them putting the cake in a melty place. My biggest peeve is when they swear that the cake will be inside, then when I get to the venue and the cake table is outside. A few people have tried that little bait and switch, so I put the info about temperature in the contract.
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