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post #1 of 23
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One of my upcoming orders is for a pool table cake that should feed 100 people. This is my largest cake order to date! I was thinking of putting a 9X13 on top of 12X18. Technically a 12X18 should feed about 100 (or so I believe) so the 9X13 should be extra. Am i on the right track or completely off-base?

Thanks!

tripletmom
post #2 of 23
I do belive thats what the wilton charts says for the 12x18...i think its double layer correct me if Im wrong.

would you need to stack both.....why make extra cake if you dont have too......

excuse me if that seems harsh but my husband has been ripping into me for doing extra work and not getting paid for it......
so i think thats why Im in that state of mind
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post #3 of 23
Actually, according to the Wilton serving charts for party sized servings (1.5x2 inches) a 12x18 sheet should serve 72 people.
Of course, if you're cutting the piece bigger, than it will obviously be less than that.

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post #4 of 23
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lastingmoments: Not harsh at all! Truth be told your hubby is right! I don't really want to do this cake. The lady who ordered it up said she saw pictures of my cakes, absolutely LOVED them and really wanted me to make one for her. She said she wanted a pool table theme and for the cake to feed at least 100 people. I do a lot of fondant work, all by hand plus I prefer to make scratch cakes. All this considered I said that we would be looking at $75.00. She just about died! That she would just go to Costco and get a 'cheap sheet-cake'. I was instantly steamed and a little insulted, so I should have walked away. But no, I then began to wheel and deal....so I said I would do the 9X13 on the 12X18 for $50.00! My hubby wasn't too impressed, just like yours, extra work and not getting paid for it.

Sheesh...

Thanks PurplePetunia. I did look at the serving charts on this site however for some reason I am always confused by them...happens a lot these days. So I should be okay with the 12X18 AND the 9X13? Right?
post #5 of 23
Oh Tripletmom!! What a pain! And for so cheap!? I hate situations like that! It seems like we're all too nice for our own good huh? Always trying to please everyone...I've had several cakes like yours---too much work, not enough money b/c of something I did! icon_cry.gif Each time I swear I'll never do it again, but then again....
Well, good luck to you, I hope it's works out. I personally would not make both cakes but if you already quoted her that price?! Unless you tell her somethings changed. Good luck!
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post #6 of 23
sounds like me...........triplett mom ...the cake im doing is a pooh cake and i charge 75 serving for buttercream a serving ....i was quoting 50.00 on one then the mom was like I was gonna pay 24.99 at the grocery store...so i said ok Ill make it for 25.00
long story short i tell my husband the story and he steamed over it and told me next time to let them walk away call the bluff........he goes I bet they will call you back .....so I was thinking about this all night and I thought I was smarter then him and told him.....I was reducing the amount of servings. and making it for 50 servings at 50cents a serving so really im not knocking off as much as he thought I was.....
Little did I know he does listen when I talk and asked are you using Fondant....my mouth dropped and said yeah. which he replied yes you are.......
you figured I would have learned from my last cake....
Ok but you are now my witnesses this really is my last cake for cheap!!
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post #7 of 23
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Originally Posted by tripletmom



Thanks PurplePetunia. I did look at the serving charts on this site however for some reason I am always confused by them...happens a lot these days. So I should be okay with the 12X18 AND the 9X13? Right?



Yes, both sheets would be enough. icon_smile.gif

They say "hind sight is 20-20" But don't worry about it. Just take this as another lesson learned. icon_smile.gif
post #8 of 23
You know what I'm going to start telling people, "cheap cakes are not good and good cakes are not cheap!" Some people are always trying to get something for nothing!
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post #9 of 23
We should make a stipulation for members of this site. That is that none of us will ever sell ourselves short ever again! Otherwise you get the boot!!!!

Just kidding....I know it's so hard to deal with the money issues. I swallowed my fear for the first time a few weeks ago....I made a cake for a friend and I told her it would be between $100.00 and $150.00. I was truly giving her a discount because I want this business to take off. My DH who happens to be very business savvy told me to deliberately give a break on the first 10 or 20 cakes ...but let them know they are getting a huge discount! So....she was fine with the price on the phone.....then came the day for her to pick up the cake...she walked in and when she saw it she said.."how much do I owe you? $200?" I know my face turned all red but I said, "no...$150.00 will be fine" since that is what I agreed to on the phone. So I know it was worth much more...and I know I would have gotten much more but I'm trying out my hubby's advice.....and it is working.......word of mouth is the best way to advertise!

Also...if someone compares you to a grocery store....explain the differences and why your cake is more expensive. Entenman's is pretty cheap too but look what you're getting!
post #10 of 23
[quote="tripletmom"]lastingmoments: Not harsh at all! Truth be told your hubby is right! I don't really want to do this cake. The lady who ordered it up said she saw pictures of my cakes, absolutely LOVED them and really wanted me to make one for her. She said she wanted a pool table theme and for the cake to feed at least 100 people. I do a lot of fondant work, all by hand plus I prefer to make scratch cakes. All this considered I said that we would be looking at $75.00. She just about died! That she would just go to Costco and get a 'cheap sheet-cake'. I was instantly steamed and a little insulted, so I should have walked away. But no, I then began to wheel and deal....so I said I would do the 9X13 on the 12X18 for $50.00! My hubby wasn't too impressed, just like yours, extra work and not getting paid for it.

Sheesh...
Can I lecture you, oh fellow Ontarian!
You are way undercharging. This is a custom cake, she cannot get a cake like this at Costco, no way. The cakes there are, well not well done, at least not in my opinion. They don't use fondant, they don't do pool tables.
I do a 2 layer, 10 inch round, each layer 2 inch deep for $50 and 3 inch deep for $60. I do an 11x15 for $40-$50, sometimes more.
This cake at $75 was a steal, gosh, it should be $80-$100 for what you are planning, actually more.
Heehee, your hubby sounds like mine and he is right (but don't tell him I said that, haha).
Cake for $1 a piece is a heck of a good deal Have you checked bakeries lately? Gosh, simple 9 inch rounds are easily $60-$65 at a good bakery.
We all need to start thinking more of our skills and our time and start getting paid for it. Let her go to Costco!
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post #11 of 23
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Squirrelly,

Wait until you heat the progression of this story, your gonna wanna whack me one for sure icon_redface.gif :

To makes matters worse with this cake the lady calls and asks if she can pay with a cheque. I say okay. I know, major no-no, but I did. She gets here and pulls out her cheque-book and it's empty! icon_surprised.gif Empty?!? I just sort of half-smiled at her and said something like that's okay...dumb again. She pulls $20 out and asks if her friend will be coming back this week and can she leave it with her? Now I am steamed but again I say 'okay'. She looks at the cake and says "that looks pretty good". Pretty good ??? For $50 you just got a custom designed pool-table cake to feed 100 people and it looks 'pretty good'??? Geez willikers!!! So she takes the cake (literally!) and off she goes. To her credit she did return with the remaining $30...

I know you are so, so, so right however I also know that I have always been undercharging for my cakes. It's funny, the people my hubby works with are all willing to pay but get me on the phone talking to someone and I cave. And I really do spend hours on each cake. I'm often not in bed before 3 or 4 am!

I am currently working on a pamphlet sort of thing that I can give people and in it are pictures of my cakes and prices. That way they will know in advance what to expect and I will have better managed their expectations. Proactive instead of reactive. Next step is the web-site with the same information.

You are also right, we all do "need to start thinking more of our skills and our time and start getting paid for it".
post #12 of 23
I think the pool table cake looks great!!! thumbs_up.gif But please make us a promise....do not ever charge this little again for a cake like that!!!! I agree with Squirrelly Cakes...there is no way she could have got a cake like that from Costco. A good bakery would charge at least 100.00 for it as well. A good lesson learned...next time let her go to Costco!!!! icon_smile.gif
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post #13 of 23
I too ...have to scold you...lol. I was in a bakery/bakeshop yesterday.. she is reputable and everything. But I watched a simple sheet cake go out of there for 70+ dollars. It had a spray of leaves and a couple of princess figurines on it. Nothing against her work...it is great. But she does so much that her cheaper cakes have sort of become just standardized. The cake you let go for 50.00 was at least worth 100.00. Ill bet with the cake board and ingredients you had almost 50.00 in it! Not counting the extra on the electric bill etc. and your labor was basically FREE. Your work is FAR too good for that! If you do this for a hobby fine. you are getting better and they are made happy. But it sounds like she didn't even appreciate the hard work you did and the excellent result! I truly think all of us should learn to ask what we are worth...and people who say " I can get a cheap costo cake or ..wal-mart or whatever...thats what they NEED to do. In my humble opinion they are implying that you are an amateur..a homebaker who is not on the level with a grocery store bakery and that you should therefore be cheaper. I do NOT hesitate to point out to folks like that ...that I am a specialty baker. I do fondant and homemade things and gumpaste and edible images and so much more than they can get at a grocery store and that if they are concerned with nothing else except cheap that they shouldnt be asking someone who does this as an exclusive trade , we are in my opinion specialists. Maybe not to the degree a doctor is but we usually are trained.. we practice forever to perfect out techniques ..have to buy all kinds of equipment and ingredients and be a people person to boot! Lets be honest and admit that most of us are cake decorating junkies and put a lot of heart in these things as well! We put long hours into these things and I for one am not giving anymore of them away!
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post #14 of 23
Haha, I won't smack you but let me at the customer. It looks 'pretty good"? Smack, it looks perfectly wonderful! What a not nice customer. First of all she play like a customer at a garage sale, trying to cut down your already low prices and this is how she shows her gratitude? Grrrhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
So there, after all that, she behaves like that! And that is why we have to charge the prices that are fair to us as decorators! Some of these people will go off and tell their friends about how they conned us into lowering our prices. Then these same friends will get the idea that they can pull the same stunt and before you know it you have a whole lotta offers for fabulous cakes at grocery store prices. So it is a lose, lose situation for you the decorator.
It looks "pretty good"? Well, she deserves a Costco type of cake that comes with the little plastic ornaments which likely taste almost as good as the cake!
It is like these customers are doing us a favour even ordering from us! Please give me the privilege of spending countless dollars purchasing equipment, using up hydro, making a huge mess to spend many hours cleaning up, disrupting my kitchen and my life, spending many, many hours to make a unique and custom cake, spending hours drawing out and figuring how best to come up with the concept - so that you the almighty customer can pay me a pittance and then offer a not generous comment about the quality of my work. I live for that! Yeah right!
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post #15 of 23
Amen Doctor KayDay!
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