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post #46 of 73
6/9/12 at 3:49pm
The problem is only further compounded by the cake shows. Klienfield's at least prices out the brides dresses and budget issues. You see cake shows without the price tags, done in an unrealistic time frame withput reference to the practice or supplies brought in. When did you make a few hundred cupcakes, the display and creative idea in a few hours? Finish a mamoth cake in 8 hours without preparation and flaws? It is just not the KNOT that is the issue, it is overall media coverage of cakes. Stop reading or watching this drival until they support the cake budget issue. It amazes me that decorators allow this to perpetuate by participating in the shows, article interviews, etc and are surprised that "cake muggles" have no idea until they are insulted.
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post #47 of 73
6/9/12 at 4:14pm
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Well, just to throw some fuel on the fire--NOT--I will say that in this day & age, there should be NO muggles.

It's too easy to do some rudimentary research before even calling for a tasting. Information is all over the internet.

No internet access, use the phone to get an idea of serving costs.
Develop a budget, find a baker who at least STARTS at your budget point, and stick to your budget.
Don't try to get the baker to jump thru hoops to get your business.
Don't tell the baker what they can do to get DOWN to your price point.
There's no harm at all in asking what options a baker might offer, but DON"T get your nose out of joint if they say they don't/can't/won't do something.
Just like every dress isn't in your price range, neither is every cake.
Use some common sense. In a day & age when the minimum wage (in my state) is $7.70/hr., when you ask about HANDMADE SUGAR FLOWERS, THINK about what MIGHT go into such a product.
RESPECT THE BAKER AS A PROFESSIONAL AND TREAT THEM AS SUCH.
IT'S NOT "JUST FLOUR & SUGAR".

My real gripe with these types of "how to cut costs" articles is that they often leave you with the feeling there's something wrong with a bride for even considering paying for a high end cake AND there's something wrong with the baker for asking so much for that cake.

Fine. Pile on.
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post #48 of 73
6/9/12 at 4:30pm
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Originally Posted by FromScratchSF

They never said that all bakers don't offer this option or to go to a specific place or type of baker to make this cheaper discounted cost less budget saving option.



Nor do they say all bakers DO.

All due respect, FromScratchSF, you need to chill out. In my opinion, you've come across as petty, condescending, and downright rude in this thread. And not just about this topic...but toward other commenters. Hopefully that wasn't your intention. If I were a bride looking for a baker and read these comments, I would avoid you like the plague. Not because of your pricing policies (which I can well afford, before you insinuate I couldn't), but because of your attitude. Just saying.

P.S. I believe you mean "waste," not "waist." Three times you meant it. You're welcome.



I have to disagree. To me she comes across as someone who is frustrated by the ignorance that comes out of the wedding magazine industry, which is set up to sell wedding dresses while throwing every other wedding service category under the bus. I can totally relate. I pretty much ignore the wedding magaziens now, though, they'll never change, and they'll still be churning out the same tired advice five, ten and twenty years from now.
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post #49 of 73
6/10/12 at 1:01am
I agree with FromScratch and costumeczar. These two are business women who are serious, successful, and do not mince words. Instead of calling one rude, it would be best to take in every word they write. Not saying you have to agree, but I have never seen a post from either that was not valid, even the controversial ones.
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post #50 of 73
6/10/12 at 4:39am
Hmmmm - question...

Is that women a caker/baker or just a mouth piece for The Knot?

If she isn't a caker/baker then i take her words with a grain of salt - sadly brides to be wouldn't...and no doubt hang on her every word.

If she is just a mouth piece - then need i say more.... icon_rolleyes.gif

My customers pay for my service - and like many others - i won't lower my price because someone wants a wedding that they really can't afford.
And no magazine or mouth piece will convince me otherwise.

As for the suggestion by the mouth piece that adding a few dummy tiers will be cheaper - *cough* - if it wasn't such a misleading and utterly foolish statement to make it would be hysterical.


Perhaps The Knot has to keep coming up with these airy fairy ideas so as to capture a new audiance all the time - *shrug*
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post #51 of 73
6/10/12 at 4:58am
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Hmmmm - question...

Is that women a caker/baker or just a mouth piece for The Knot?

If she isn't a caker/baker then i take her words with a grain of salt - sadly brides to be wouldn't...and no doubt hang on her every word.

If she is just a mouth piece - then need i say more.... icon_rolleyes.gif

My customers pay for my service - and like many others - i won't lower my price because someone wants a wedding that they really can't afford.
And no magazine or mouth piece will convince me otherwise.

As for the suggestion by the mouth piece that adding a few dummy tiers will be cheaper - *cough* - if it wasn't such a misleading and utterly foolish statement to make it would be hysterical.


Perhaps The Knot has to keep coming up with these airy fairy ideas so as to capture a new audiance all the time - *shrug*
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She's a mouthpiece...I doubt that she would know what a cake pan looked like. They've been giving the same advice for years and will continue to do so. It's not worth getting worked up over,but it is frustrating when people make an effort to educate themselves before seeing you, then they come into an appointment saying "fawndawnt" and talking about sheet cakes because they don't want to look ignorant. If magazines and websites would just tell them to cut their guest lists and ask their vendors how they can stay within budget it would save a lot of time.
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post #52 of 73
6/10/12 at 7:08am
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She's a mouthpiece...I doubt that she would know what a cake pan looked like.


Ms. Winikka has experience as a wedding coordinator. She was also the one who rewrote the article that started the last Knot bashing thread to make it less objectionable.

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post #53 of 73
6/10/12 at 7:19am
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She's a mouthpiece...I doubt that she would know what a cake pan looked like.


Ms. Winikka has experience as a wedding coordinator. She was also the one who rewrote the article that started the last Knot bashing thread to make it less objectionable.

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Oh well in that case slap me stupid - because here was i thinking she knew all aspects of ACTUALLY producing wedding cakes.
It just gets more ridiculous

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post #54 of 73
6/10/12 at 7:34am
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Oh well in that case slap me stupid - because here was i thinking she knew all aspects of ACTUALLY producing wedding cakes.
It just gets more ridiculous


Considering The Knot is about the entire process of putting together a wedding and is not focused on producing cakes, it sounds like she has just the kind of experience needed, which explains why she got the job of site editor there.
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post #55 of 73
6/10/12 at 8:19am
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Oh well in that case slap me stupid - because here was i thinking she knew all aspects of ACTUALLY producing wedding cakes.
It just gets more ridiculous


Considering The Knot is about the entire process of putting together a wedding and is not focused on producing cakes, it sounds like she has just the kind of experience needed, which explains why she got the job of site editor there.



Sorry - i thought this paticular thread was about *her* suggestions as to cake cutting costs....
Knowing the entire pocess about pulling a wedding together doesn't for one minute mean one actually knows the ins and outs of creating a wedding cake - it just means you can source different companies to produce an end product.

A Site Editor has many little people running around finding out information - compiling it into files and then slapping it down on the Site Editors desk for her to read - then standing in front of a camea and making a video -
YESSSS - i can see where the caking expertise comes into it - Not...

Honestly Jason - as a caker, even you should see how shallow that is icon_rolleyes.gif
Thats not having a skill or craft - thats just being a mouth piece for the camera...


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post #56 of 73
6/10/12 at 8:36am
The wedding coordinators I've worked with have all had a pretty good idea of what goes into making a wedding cake. You don't need to have actual experience baking and decorating a cake to understand the process and the costs involved. I'm an example, since I don't bake or decorate.

You are also making several assumptions as to what the job of a site editor is and how The Knot is run. What are you basing these assumptions on? As an author myself I have worked with editors before, and editors need to understand the subject matter pretty well, otherwise they are just glorified proofreaders.
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post #57 of 73
6/10/12 at 8:42am
Jason, come on...that little bio is a PR puff piece like most others. Her job as a wedding coordinator at a venue while in college could have been the assistant to the catering manager for all we know. I have a friend who does PR for wedding businesses, and she basically spends all day trying to stretch the truth so that it's still true, but sounds much bigger that is. I also have run across many, many very experienced venue coordinators who don't know their a$$ from their elbow when it comes to the cake. The things they say to me make me wonder if they've ever cut a cake before...oh wait, they usually don't, one of the catering staff does it.

Anyway, if you work for the knot and are put on camera it's because you're stepford wife photogenic, not because you're an expert. That's what a mouthpiece is. They don't care about your expertise, they just want someone who looks good on camera to read the TelePrompTer
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post #58 of 73
6/10/12 at 8:47am
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Jason, come on...that little bio is a PR puff piece like most others. Her job as a wedding coordinator at a venue while in college could have been the assistant to the catering manager for all we know.


I suppose that's possible, and it's possible she was hired as a site editor to be an actress, but given that she has also written quite a few articles it doesn't seem that likely.

Plus, as BlueHue mentioned, she likely has a team of experts to rely on if she needs more in-depth knowledge in a specific area.
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post #59 of 73
6/10/12 at 9:03am
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The wedding coordinators I've worked with have all had a pretty good idea of what goes into making a wedding cake. You don't need to have actual experience baking and decorating a cake to understand the process and the costs involved. I'm an example, since I don't bake or decorate.
Oh Jason - I can't argue with what you wrote - its too ridiculous......moving on to next paragraph.

You are also making several assumptions as to what the job of a site editor is and how The Knot is run. What are you basing these assumptions on? Oh Jason get of your high horse - i say it in black and white so don't give me the Assumption crap -

As an author myself I have worked with editors before, and editors need to understand the subject matter pretty well, otherwise they are just glorified proofreaders.
And there you go - need i say more - i call her a mouth piece - you can call her a glorified proof reader......because she hasn't a clue as to the designing - baking and creating of a Wedding Cake....
She only knows what she has been told and from whats she has read....
Not from standing at a bench colouring fondant to a cetain shade for 3 hours....and then covering a cake and decorating it....

And Jason - Kindly don't take the moral high road with me - my views are just that - MY VIEWS.

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post #60 of 73
6/10/12 at 10:32am
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because she hasn't a clue as to the designing - baking and creating of a Wedding Cake....
She only knows what she has been told and from whats she has read....


I'm still wondering where you are getting this information from.

Also I'm not sure where morality comes into play here (e.g. the "moral high road" you keep referring to)?

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Not from standing at a bench colouring fondant to a cetain shade for 3 hours....and then covering a cake and decorating it....


Being skilled at the mechanics of cake decorating has very little to do with skill in other aspects of this business, as has been demonstrated repeatedly in this very forum.
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