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post #16 of 36
6/5/12 at 6:48pm
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Originally Posted by BlakesCakes

Well, you are so pedantic about so many things, one is led to believe that you would have been well aware of this fact before posting, especially having advised someone to NOT create something that may have been very time-sensitive.............This IS the Jubilee week............


I offer my humble apologies for not always immediately having the right answer, in this thread I simply posted how I would handle the situation. In hindsight, limits on this type of copyright do make sense, and in this case the current building design did pass into public domain surprisingly recently. Other buildings with more recent renovations (of the facade at least) may still be protected.

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Sad to learn something at the possible expense of another.........really.


Yes, truly a tragedy. The world's smallest violin is now playing just for you. icon_cool.gif
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post #17 of 36
6/5/12 at 7:07pm
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I offer my humble apologies for not always immediately having the right answer, in this thread I simply posted how I would handle the situation. In hindsight, limits on this type of copyright do make sense, and in this case the current building design did pass into public domain surprisingly recently. Other buildings with more recent renovations (of the facade at least) may still be protected.

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Sad to learn something at the possible expense of another.........really.


Yes, truly a tragedy. The world's smallest violin is now playing just for you. icon_cool.gif



Yes, you couldn't possibly know everything, could you?
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I'm sure that this was just a minute item that eluded your radar icon_wink.gif

I'm sure it won't happen again icon_twisted.gif

A violin, for me????????
I don't need the violin music. I DIDN'T give incorrect advise.......
But enjoy fiddling, if it makes you feel better icon_lol.gif

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post #18 of 36
6/5/12 at 7:15pm
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Originally Posted by BlakesCakes

I DIDN'T give incorrect advise.......


The reasoning for your advice was incorrect since the current state of the building is the result of a more recent renovation of the facade.

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post #19 of 36
6/5/12 at 7:26pm
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I DIDN'T give incorrect advise.......


The reasoning for your advice was incorrect since the current state of the building is the result of a more recent renovation of the facade.

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So you initially give completely incorrect advice to the OP.......................and that's OK, but you find my reasoning so egregious that I'm supposed to be apologetic?

Your initial argument was flawed and you may have prevented someone from doing something that would have been perfectly OK, but you so need to be seen as right, so you'll duck & weave until you feel vindicated?

Well, keep boxing in the wind.............and wear that pedant pendant proudly!!!

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post #20 of 36
6/5/12 at 7:32pm
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Originally Posted by BlakesCakes

So you initially give completely incorrect advice to the OP.......................and that's OK


Nope, I was wrong. It happens sometimes.

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but you find my reasoning so egregious that I'm supposed to be apologetic?


No apology necessary, I find your replies to be quite amusing actually. icon_smile.gif

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Your initial argument was flawed and you may have prevented someone from doing something that would have been perfectly OK, but you so need to be seen as right, so you'll duck & weave until you feel vindicated?


I'm not sure what you mean by "duck & weave". My first post was based on my view of the situation and how I would have handled it personally. That view was shown to be incorrect, so my next reply was based on the facts introduced by vtcake. If changing your opinion when someone introduces new relevant facts that affect said opinion is "ducking and weaving" then I suppose that's what I do.
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post #21 of 36
6/5/12 at 8:01pm
I've read quite a few threads on the copy write issue, one I participated in, and I get the whole protection of brand thing - I really do, but on my emotional side I just want to scream. I sometimes feel it is out of control and I want to know how eggs sugar and flour are a threat to any business. It is my understanding that UK bakers will not be allowed to make the Olympic rings and the games are in England-just crazy. There, I vented!
BTW, I do appreciate all the information that is passed along - thank you
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post #22 of 36
6/5/12 at 8:10pm
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Originally Posted by jason_kraft


No apology necessary, I find your replies to be quite amusing actually. icon_smile.gif



I'm so glad to be able to shed some sunshine into your little pinhole camera of life.

I welcome the opportunity to widen that aperture.

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post #23 of 36
6/5/12 at 8:28pm
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Originally Posted by JWinslow

I've read quite a few threads on the copy write issue, one I participated in, and I get the whole protection of brand thing - I really do, but on my emotional side I just want to scream. I sometimes feel it is out of control and I want to know how eggs sugar and flour are a threat to any business. It is my understanding that UK bakers will not be allowed to make the Olympic rings and the games are in England-just crazy. There, I vented!
BTW, I do appreciate all the information that is passed along - thank you


I agree, copyright really is out of control, both in terms of scope and how it is enforced (IP owners typically have huge sums of money at their disposal and can bully defendants into settlements). It is unlikely these laws will be relaxed anytime soon, given lobbying efforts by Disney and other organizations that rely on IP for their existence. The International Olympic Committee is one of the worst in this regard, as their brand makes them about a billion dollars a year from sponsorship and licensing.

I liken it to the cottage food law issue...in limited circumstances (i.e. a cake made at home for your family) there should be exemptions to copyright laws so people don't have to worry about this stuff, and for small businesses that meet certain criteria there should be compulsory licenses available to allow limited commercial use of copyrighted characters for reasonable fees. Unfortunately the law as it stands now is confusing and difficult for the average person to follow, but the law is the law.
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post #24 of 36
6/5/12 at 8:43pm
Thanks Jason icon_smile.gif
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post #25 of 36
6/5/12 at 8:49pm
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Originally Posted by JWinslow

It is my understanding that UK bakers will not be allowed to make the Olympic rings and the games are in England-just crazy. There, I vented!



Yep, they refused to allow the British Sugarcraft Guild to use the Olympics as the theme for their fall 2012 show.................

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2037418/London-2012-Olympics-Copyright-laws-ban-bakers-icing-cakes-logo.html

Wow! Just shows how horridly shortsighted some can be...........no money to be made by the exhibitors, but TONS of free publicity related to the games.

When ICES was as Disney World, Disney asked that any cake using one of their characters, etc. have a disclaimer placed with it stating that it was for showing a technique and couldn't be reproduced without their permission.
So, lots of the display room cakes had little yellow cards next to them. It worked just fine. Heck, the Disney people were reveling in all of the displays.

The IOC would make a lot of UK friends if they'd offer short-term licensing to bakers a reasonable price. They'd make a few bob and everyone would be happy. But that takes creativity....................

Sad.
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post #26 of 36
6/5/12 at 9:00pm
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I would rather make 1 cake for $150, than 3 for $50 each.

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I would rather make 1 cake for $150, than 3 for $50 each.

The person who works for nothing will always have plenty to do!

My sarcasm is good-humored. People generally really like me, in person ;-) 

Licensed, inspected, insured, home-based commercial...

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post #27 of 36
6/5/12 at 9:03pm
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Originally Posted by Annabakescakes

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post #28 of 36
6/5/12 at 9:14pm
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I would rather make 1 cake for $150, than 3 for $50 each.

The person who works for nothing will always have plenty to do!

My sarcasm is good-humored. People generally really like me, in person ;-) 

Licensed, inspected, insured, home-based commercial...

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I would rather make 1 cake for $150, than 3 for $50 each.

The person who works for nothing will always have plenty to do!

My sarcasm is good-humored. People generally really like me, in person ;-) 

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post #29 of 36
6/6/12 at 12:39am
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Lol thanks everyone! icon_smile.gif

Just to say I received a lovely emailed permission this morning thanks to jason_krafts advice which pretty much repeated vtcakes advice so thanks to you both, especially Jason, the email I was lovely and a pleasure to receive! icon_smile.gif

Cake due on the 22nd so keep an eye on the gallery on the 23rd June- really looking forward to this one!

Thanks again everyone!
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post #30 of 36
6/6/12 at 1:13am
The reason some of us are cautious is because we don't know how soon the law will catch up to the web on this issue. You can make a cake today and be charged two years from now. And we have posted what the individual fines can be.

What cake baker can even afford to do business if she is charged even $2000.00 per cake at a later date. We are just stating what is happening in other industries and in this one. The information is here purely for the individual to be able to make an informed decision.

A home baker can make any cake she wants. She just runs a risk when it's uploaded onto the web.
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