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post #1 of 36
6/1/12 at 6:57am
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I've been asked if I will consider a Buckingham Palace shaped/themed cake, but is it legal to reproduce this wonderful building? And for the aid of others; any building at all?
Hope you can advise!
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post #2 of 36
6/1/12 at 7:17am
It may be best to contact someone from Buckingham Palace to ask for permission to re-create the building using food materials. They may have certain guidelines you must follow etc.

http://www.royal.gov.uk/Contactus/ContacttheRoyalHousehold.aspx#4
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post #3 of 36
6/1/12 at 7:20am
Architectural works, including the buildings themselves, are protected by copyright. You can request permission to reproduce Buckingham Palace by emailing licensing@opsi.gov.uk.

http://www.royal.gov.uk/Contactus/Copyright.aspx
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post #4 of 36
6/1/12 at 7:40am
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Brilliant thank you very much I'll get on to them! ...fingers crossed! ....oh thinking about it they might be pretty busy this weekend lol
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post #5 of 36
6/1/12 at 6:37pm
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Originally Posted by Crazy-Gray

I've been asked if I will consider a Buckingham Palace shaped/themed cake, but is it legal to reproduce this wonderful building? And for the aid of others; any building at all?
Hope you can advise!
Gray



Go for it, the Queen is not going to send her guards to arrest you, but she may sue you. icon_biggrin.gif

You can take pictures of it, you can make paintings of it, I doubt that the law is in place to protect them from cakes.
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post #6 of 36
6/4/12 at 2:42am
Again SoFlo, Jason looked it up and provided pertinent, correct information. Then you come along behind with a post that has no use whatsoever.

Please respect those who take the time to answer correctly.
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post #7 of 36
6/5/12 at 8:53am
I hope you get the go ahead from Her Majesty!! I would love to see your Buckingham Palace cake, your gallery cakes are fantastic!
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post #8 of 36
6/5/12 at 1:07pm
Other works

Other works (such as sculpture, architecture, etc) will typically vary in copyright term, depending whether the author of the work is anonymous. If the author is unknown, the copyright period ends 70 years after the making of the work; or, if during that period the work is communicated to the public, 70 years after that date. If the author of the work is identifiable, copyright in the work expires 70 years after the death of the author.

from :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_law_of_the_United_Kingdom
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post #9 of 36
6/5/12 at 1:23pm
Well, Buckingham Palace was built in 1761 , so I think it's safe to say that the commissioner, designer, architect, & builder are long dead and that it's well out of copyright.

Go for it!

Although I do appreciate "some" of the advice given about this subject here on CC, I've said before that much of it's really up to the baker.

Yes, there are companies that will send out cease & desist orders at the drop of a hat and there are companies that appreciate the homage. You never know which is which.

This, however, is an example of the purely absurd. To even imagine that anyone in the hierarchy of the monarchy would give a rat's patoot about someone making a cake in the shape of a 250 year old building is just stupid. There is such a thing as too much mental.........mmmmmmm.........massage.

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post #10 of 36
6/5/12 at 1:37pm
The most recent remodeling of Buckingham Palace was in 1913 by Aston Webb. Webb died in 1930, so according to UK law the current design of Buckingham Palace became public domain in 2000.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buckingham_Palace
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post #11 of 36
6/5/12 at 1:38pm
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Please respect those who take the time to answer correctly.



You should do the same and not assume that you know everything.
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post #12 of 36
6/5/12 at 1:39pm
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Originally Posted by BlakesCakes

Yes, there are companies that will send out cease & desist orders at the drop of a hat and there are companies that appreciate the homage. You never know which is which.


That's why you ask permission, to find out if the copyright owner is OK with what you're doing with their IP.
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post #13 of 36
6/5/12 at 2:45pm
Sorry, nothing is as black & white as you want to make it--thank god.

If it were, 90% of cakes would require written permission from someone in order to be made because many people request cakes based on what they've seen, what they do, a theme, or decoration. The research time alone deciding who to ask would be unreasonable. Heck, even some hybrid FLOWERS are copyrighted.

Jason, you did, originally, tell the OP to ask for permission to make the cake................................

Oh, and I really, really, really, doubt that someone who remodels or renovates ANYTHING has a say in how it's used. Maybe they should have to ask permission from the creator to modify the original...........or are they just creating a parody???? LOL

All of this fear mongering has really gone too far. Education is wonderful, but really.........

It's pretty sad that it's come down to a CC member wanting to make a cake for their own family member--a butterfly with a skinny doll on it---and they feel compelled to come here and ask if they should ask permission--or fear retribution.............Jason, by the way, said he didn't think this example was a problem..................but geez, some people are seeing "reproductions" where they just DON'T EXIST.

If you're worried, ask--if possible. When possible, interpret rather than copy. Rename. Don't post pics.

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post #14 of 36
6/5/12 at 5:47pm
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Oh, and I really, really, really, doubt that someone who remodels or renovates ANYTHING has a say in how it's used.


According to copyright law, architectural designs are protected for the life of the creator + 70 years, regardless of whether the design was for renovating an existing building or building a new one.

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It's pretty sad that it's come down to a CC member wanting to make a cake for their own family member--a butterfly with a skinny doll on it---and they feel compelled to come here and ask if they should ask permission


I don't see what the big issue is with erring on the side of caution, asking questions about all aspects of the cake business (including copyright) is what CC is all about.

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Jason, you did, originally, tell the OP to ask for permission to make the cake


That was before vtcake posted the helpful link explaining UK copyright law for architectural works. Now, thanks to someone asking a copyright question, I learned something new today. icon_smile.gif
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post #15 of 36
6/5/12 at 6:14pm
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Jason, you did, originally, tell the OP to ask for permission to make the cake


That was before vtcake posted the helpful link explaining UK copyright law for architectural works. Now, thanks to someone asking a copyright question, I learned something new today. icon_smile.gif



Well, you are so pedantic about so many things, one is led to believe that you would have been well aware of this fact before posting, especially having advised someone to NOT create something that may have been very time-sensitive.............This IS the Jubilee week............

Sad to learn something at the possible expense of another.........really.

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