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post #16 of 31
Dear Bride,
In regard to the conflicting contracts, I can respect the florist's concern that all flowers be done by her however I am licensed to handle food. The cake will be consumed at your wedding and as stated in my contract only I am to place items on the cake. If the florist is willing to sign a waiver taking the responsibility of food safety off my hands, then I am willing to allow her to place the flowers. Keep in mind also that the florist will also bare the responsibility of damage to the cake that is done when placing the flowers.
Please let me know if she is willing to sign and I will provide the documents needed.

Happy Baker


Once the bride explains your position to the florist, I suspect the flower lady will back off her high horse.

I stood there with my mouth hanging open last year as a florist took a branch out of a bucket of water, shook it off and then broke the bottom four inches off of it and JAMMED it into the buttercream on the top layer of a cake I made. ( She used it to hold up a metal monogram)
She told me she'd been decorating for years and did it all the time.
I vowed NEVER to let another person touch my cakes again. That was gross.

mommachris

wife to David for 25 years
mom to 13 blessings
Nine who are still living at home that range from 22 to 4 years old.
Holly, Amy, Aaron, Evelyn, Zebedee, Melody, William, Melissa and little Tobin
and four more sweet babies in heaven.

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wife to David for 25 years
mom to 13 blessings
Nine who are still living at home that range from 22 to 4 years old.
Holly, Amy, Aaron, Evelyn, Zebedee, Melody, William, Melissa and little Tobin
and four more sweet babies in heaven.

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post #17 of 31
I actually have an unwritten ban against fresh flowers at this point, UNLESS they are 100% constructed by a florist, in a leakproof container, made to the dimensions of the top tier. There is no more jamming of last minute grocery store roses plucked from swamp water buckets on MY cakes. Hell no.
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post #18 of 31
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Originally Posted by AZCouture

I actually have an unwritten ban against fresh flowers at this point, UNLESS they are 100% constructed by a florist, in a leakproof container, made to the dimensions of the top tier. There is no more jamming of last minute grocery store roses plucked from swamp water buckets on MY cakes. Hell no.



That really puts it in perspective...GAG!
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post #19 of 31
Because that was what awaited me every single time. I told them tea roses and very small blooms until I was blue in the face. Nope. Huge honking roses wrapped in that plastic sheath from the grocery store. Every. Time. Ugh.
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post #20 of 31
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Huge honking roses

I hear ya! I did a cake for a lady that wanted real roses in a cascade down the side and the blooms were so heavy, I tore the cake to smithereens to get them to stay in there (in straws from Mickey-D's icon_redface.gif ) Thank goodness the sheer size of the them hid the mess of cake crumbs, dents and holes i made when I didn't get it situated the right way the first time and it came craaaashing down, bouncing off the lower tiers as it went...

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Cakelady2266: I having 23 years of cake handling experience know how to place flowers on a cake with out sticking them in the cake. I can do an entire cascade of live flowers on a 6 tier cake without stick on single stem in the cake. Yeah I am that good. And to be perfectly honest it doesn't take a rocket scientist to put flowers on a cake.

HOW the HECK? I stick them in straws, but the damage can be extensive. What are the alternatives? Can they be wired? I know not to stick them in a cake, but how do people get a garland on there? TUTORIAL!!!! <please>
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post #21 of 31
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post #22 of 31
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Cakelady2266: I having 23 years of cake handling experience know how to place flowers on a cake with out sticking them in the cake. I can do an entire cascade of live flowers on a 6 tier cake without stick on single stem in the cake. Yeah I am that good. And to be perfectly honest it doesn't take a rocket scientist to put flowers on a cake.

HOW the HECK? I stick them in straws, but the damage can be extensive. What are the alternatives? Can they be wired? I know not to stick them in a cake, but how do people get a garland on there? TUTORIAL!!!! <please>

Agree with the above. you have to have some common sense to apply flowers, but if you can decorate a cake, then you can EASILY do florals. Cakers do it all the time with BC, fondant and gumpaste flowers. Real ones are not really different.

I cut the stem off as close to the head as possible; put a big blob of icing in the underside of the floral and use that blob to glue it to the cake. As stated above, I can also do a full cascade down multiple tiers without breaking thru the top icing once. Just cut the stems out of the way!
post #23 of 31
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Agree with the above. you have to have some common sense to apply flowers, but if you can decorate a cake, then you can EASILY do florals. Cakers do it all the time with BC, fondant and gumpaste flowers. Real ones are not really different.

I cut the stem off as close to the head as possible; put a big blob of icing in the underside of the floral and use that blob to glue it to the cake. As stated above, I can also do a full cascade down multiple tiers without breaking thru the top icing once. Just cut the stems out of the way!



Surely that doesn't work with those gargantuan roses that can rip a straw right out of a cake? They have to be too heavy, right? It seems too simple!
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post #24 of 31
YOu build from the bottom, using the lower roses to support the upper ones. But to be fair, i've never had a bride leave me the gargantuan ones .... those big enough to use as a spare tire or thereabouts ........ though! icon_lol.gif
post #25 of 31
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When you get your swamp water bucket of rejects the florist was kind enough to leave, cut the wet stems off and find a sink and rinse off any funk that crawled upward. Dry off any excess water. Try to carry a bottle of water in your bag for the the occasion when there is no running water.

Cascading flowers isn't too difficult. Start at the bottom of the cake and work your way upward. Use the heaviest (roses) and/or large flowers (lilies, orchids, gerber daisies) on the tops of the tiers and fill in with lighter weight ones. Twist and turn flowers to support one another, stagger them around. Cut the stems off or back as far as possible. Use icing to secure as needed. You can stick a toothpick at an angle through the side or bottom of a rose for extra security.

Full sizes roses are tight and heavy. You can take off some of the weight of "big honking roses" by peeling off some of the outer petals. Once you do that then insert your finger in the center of the bloom and spin it around to open up the rose. This will give it fullness and make it take you more space. You can use the extra petals to fill in or sprinkle on the table.

Break a big cluster of hydrangea and stock apart to make it go farther. You can stand some flowers straight up and hide them behind other buds. Use leaves to fill in bare spots, because sometimes you are never left with enough flowers to work with.

Here is an example of my arranging method, http://cakecentral.com/gallery/1778231. I was very pleased and so was the bride.
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post #26 of 31
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Update...I emailed the bride and explained my stand on the flower placement. I was very professional and polite, yall would have been so proud.

So today she emails me back with this response, "I totally get what your saying about the flowers. I am meeting with the florist Tuesday and I will explain the situation to her. But just in case she still insist putting the flowers on the cake will you please email me a copy of the waiver?"

Well damn it. The bride just needs to tell the florist to back off. Since I threw the waiver thing out there now I have to actually come up with one. So I'm going to need some assistance. And make it good so there is no way the florist will have the nerve to sign it.
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post #27 of 31
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Originally Posted by cakelady2266

Well damn it. The bride just needs to tell the florist to back off. Since I threw the waiver thing out there now I have to actually come up with one. So I'm going to need some assistance. And make it good so there is no way the florist will have the nerve to sign it.


By placing the flowers on the cake herself the florist should assume full liability for the integrity of the cake and the decorations as well as liability for any health issues arising out of the placement of flowers directly in the cake. In turn, you as the cake decorator will be held harmless for any damages or claims resulting from flower placement on the cake and/or pesticide contamination of the cake.

The bride should also sign an addendum to your original contract indicating that she understands she is going against your recommendation of letting you handle the flower arrangement on the cake instead of the florist, and she agrees that you are not responsible for anything the florist does to her cake.

It's not really a big deal if they do end up signing the waivers (which is a possibility), if they do you are pretty well protected. The thing to watch out for is if the florist does not sign the waiver, if that happens I would stick around until the florist leaves to make sure they don't add flowers to the cake anyway.
post #28 of 31
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Thanks Jason. It just really is hard to watch someone stabbing flowers in a cake that I've spent hours on. I hate having all those nasty stems stuck in there. And they literally stab them in there like they were trying to kill something.
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post #29 of 31
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Update alert!!!!! I composed a well thought out full page waiver that was sheer poetry and emailed it to the bride. Much to my surprise I received this response "the florist won't be putting the flowers on the cake, she will be leaving the flowers for you to decorate with."

So I won.
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post #30 of 31
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Originally Posted by cakelady2266

Update alert!!!!! I composed a well thought out full page waiver that was sheer poetry and emailed it to the bride. Much to my surprise I received this response "the florist won't be putting the flowers on the cake, she will be leaving the flowers for you to decorate with."


Since the florist did not sign the waiver I would still be cautious and make sure the florist is gone before you leave the venue. She or her staff could still try to put the flowers in the cake, either willfully or due to a miscommunication.
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