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post #16 of 61
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Originally Posted by VanillaSky

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Originally Posted by costumeczar

I don't think that this kind of thing is as uncommon as some of you seem to think it is....

My pont is that the story is a little "larger" than someone who stays local, but there are plenty of people who are illegal and just feel like they don't want to go bother through the process of getting legal for whatever reason. "Maude" might have been bolder than others by going on tv etc, but she's not alone in the idea that she was above following the rules.



I don't think anyone who reads these boards is under the belief that there arent lots of unlicensed bakers. There are posts about it almost every day. I just don't think that Maude's story is anymore a cautionary tale for most unlicensed bakers than a story about a serial ax murderer who is finally arrested would be. We debate the morality/risks of baking unlicensed all the time here, and again, I don't think Maude's sad story advances the debate any.



Well, that's true, if someone doesn't care then it won't sway them. But I think that a lot of times people dismiss stories of someone beign caught with an attitude of "that's just hearsay." Since this is being reported by a first-hand observer, it might make someone actually go get legal, which isn't a bad thing.
post #17 of 61
For me the story just shocked me on how illegal someone can be and just be SO BOLD about it. "Maude" is beyond crazy.
post #18 of 61
Ok-I'm just dying to know who "Maude" is.
post #19 of 61
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by costumeczar


Well, that's true, if someone doesn't care then it won't sway them. But I think that a lot of times people dismiss stories of someone beign caught with an attitude of "that's just hearsay." Since this is being reported by a first-hand observer, it might make someone actually go get legal, which isn't a bad thing.



Yes, that's part of my point - but another point I have is for those of us that buy stuff wholesale or partner up with another business to sell our goods (which lots of us do ALL THE TIME at farmer's markets, bake sales, cafes, food trucks, fairs...). You can't just assume the other business follows all the rules, and by partnering up or buying their product it can open YOU up by association. So when I say it made me want to double check my stuff I didn't necessarily mean me... I know MY business, but it also made me want to verify other businesses I work with or buy wholesale from regardless of my relationship with them, and it will make me be cautious in the business relationships I enter into in the future. I can care less what happens to Maude, the liar and criminal, (except in a train-crash-sort-of-way), but I care a LOT about what happens to my friend Dave, who was just totally taken advantage of by someone he thought was a friend, lost $20,000 in product that was confiscated, another $50,000 in renovations that he did specifically to sell this product, has an empty store so he's loosing hundreds in sales every day, and is scrambling trying to re-vamp that business plan. Not to mention freaking out because he is dealing with some scary stuff that threatens all his business and now has a tarnished reputation by association with Maude. He's already gearing up for the inevitable State and IRS audit so he has 2 independent bookkeepers combing his books for any little thing that could get him in trouble and has retained an attorney just in case. If he wasn't already successful in his other ventures he'd be ruined.

If you don't find a message of caution then I blame myself for not expressing myself more fully in the original post - but I see CAUTION in in bold letters all over this.
post #20 of 61
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Originally Posted by cms2

Ok-I'm just dying to know who "Maude" is.



LOL, when the smoke clears and she gets fully busted I'll post her name. Right now her website is still up, she's still taking internet orders, just had a write-up in a huge national publication and just last week did 3 large events selling her product. Dave told me her attorney is hard at work trying to save her butt. I dunno, maybe he will.
post #21 of 61
Of course feel for Dave and I hope that he will come out ahead in the near future. However, why would he not look and ask for proof of being legal as a matter of course for his business venture with Maude this is truly a cautionary tale for not solely the illegal home baker but for anyone entering into an association or business venture with friend, family or acquaintance.
post #22 of 61
Of course feel for Dave and I hope that he will come out ahead in the near future. However, why would he not look and ask for proof of being legal as a matter of course for his business venture with Maude this is truly a cautionary tale for not solely the illegal home baker but for anyone entering into an association or business venture with friend, family or acquaintance.
post #23 of 61
I'm only posting on this topic because the research analyst in me is going crazy that I can't figure out who Maude is through google. So I just want to get the notice when you follow-up. Thanks! icon_wink.gif
post #24 of 61
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Originally Posted by BizCoCos

Of course feel for Dave and I hope that he will come out ahead in the near future. However, why would he not look and ask for proof of being legal as a matter of course for his business venture with Maude this is truly a cautionary tale for not solely the illegal home baker but for anyone entering into an association or business venture with friend, family or acquaintance.



But why would you think to do that? Say you were opening a cafe and you contacted Joe's Popular Bread Company to supply the bread for your sandwiches, would you ask them for their paperwork to make sure they are legal? And then would you contact the issuer of the paperwork to make sure it's valid? Doubtful. You'd assume since they are a separate business operating for over 6 years and they supply bread to several other cafes in town, you'd assume it was A-OK to work with and sell their product.

But again, if you dismiss this as an improbable situation or whatever, that's fine. To me this has opened my eyes to something we all just take for granted, not to mention how serious the penalties are for all involved.
post #25 of 61
SF, we are in agreement that Maude's story should be a cautionary tale about doing diligence of your potential business partners. Dave invested @$70K without even a factory visit.
post #26 of 61
Exactly my point
post #27 of 61
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Originally Posted by VanillaSky

SF, we are in agreement that Maude's story should be a cautionary tale about doing your diligence of your potential business partners. Dave invested @$70K without even a factory visit.



I agree with you. That was poor research on Dave's part. When I show up at a venue, they ask for my licnese and insurance. The caterer that I work with asked to see my paperwork, as well did I ask them. So yeah, if I am about to invest 70K into somebody, how do I not ask them any questions about them?! Just cause you think they are establsihed, you don't ask questions? If that's the case, I got some prime real estate for pennies on the dollar in the Bahamas. icon_wink.gif
post #28 of 61
SF, my diligence on a bread supplier that I could easily change and that I did not have to pay a large sum upfront would be very different than my diligence on a supplier that required me to make huge investments and changes to my business.
post #29 of 61
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Originally Posted by Sparklekat6

I'm only posting on this topic because the research analyst in me is going crazy that I can't figure out who Maude is through google. So I just want to get the notice when you follow-up. Thanks! icon_wink.gif



I googled several bits of info in the original post as well and came up with nothing either.....except a whole lot of Bethany Frankel! LOL!
post #30 of 61
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Google will get you nowhere - sorry gals icon_biggrin.gif Maybe if I lived in a small town you might be able to piece together who I'm talking about, but SF is huge with lots of famous foodies. There has been no press about this which is why I'm being super vague.

And because I'm being vague it makes it hard for me to fill in some blanks that I am biting my tongue over. But I'll just say this: sure, Dave now knows to trust nobody now, but he's known her for years, she has sold her product thru Whole Foods for years, she has been on TV multiple times, and she has been written up in several national publications. It's not like she's, well, me... a total unknown.

She's not a famous as Bobby Flay, but seriously, if you decided to go into business with him selling his prepackaged and labeled BBQ sauce that is also available at several other retail locations, and wanted to make your own product at your new retail store featuring "Bobby Flay's BBQ Sauce", would you demand a "factory visit"?

I can say I'm regretting posting this thread to begin with, that's for sure.
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