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post #91 of 145
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Jason I was reading the amended bill and it looks like they modified the Class A and Class B definitions. If iread it correctly we can't use our home ovens to prepare baked goods? Or did I just get confused in all the legislative language?


If you are referring to 114365(a)(1)(A)(i) of the May 3rd amended bill, it says that you can't use your home kitchen for domestic activities (like making dinner or entertaining guests) at the same time you are preparing food for sale. This is a standard clause in CFLs. Also, no kids or pets in the kitchen (it doesn't restrict pets in the rest of the house) and no commercial equipment.

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/11-12/bill/asm/ab_1601-1650/ab_1616_bill_20120503_amended_asm_v96.html
post #92 of 145
I do have another question though after reading through the bill, it says that a Class B cottage operation shall not be open for business unless it obtains a permit from the local enforcement agency. Now, what would the permit actually be called and who would be my local enforcement agency? And, are there other hoops we may have to jump through? I really appreciate you help.
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post #93 of 145
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I do have another question though after reading through the bill, it says that a Class B cottage operation shall not be open for business unless it obtains a permit from the local enforcement agency. Now, what would the permit actually be called and who would be my local enforcement agency? And, are there other hoops we may have to jump through? I really appreciate you help.


That's an excellent question, it's not really clear from the bill. My interpretation is that they are leaving it up to each county health dept on how they want to handle Class B operations, with the expectation that each county will create a streamlined health permit for Class B CFL businesses. But you only need to worry about this if you sell wholesale.

Note that this is in addition to the zoning permit, which is required for all CFL businesses, and compliance with HOA bylaws (if any).
post #94 of 145
I was wondering, in a nutshell because I dont get all the legal mumbo-jumbo, CAN we has homemaker/bakers still make cakes, cookies, cupcakes that will be sold at bake sales for schools, churches kids clubs without going thru a big "permit" process?? Thanks thumbs_up.gif
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I was wondering, in a nutshell because I dont get all the legal mumbo-jumbo, CAN we has homemaker/bakers still make cakes, cookies, cupcakes that will be sold at bake sales for schools, churches kids clubs without going thru a big "permit" process?? Thanks thumbs_up.gif


If this bill does not pass, current rules would apply, and I believe most counties do require food sold at a bake sale to be from a licensed and inspected commercial kitchen (although you can verify this with your county, some may have exceptions).

If this bill does pass, you would be able to sell food made from home at the bake sale as long as you meet the criteria of the bill. If you are selling directly to the public at the bake sale you would be Class A so no inspection required.
post #96 of 145
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Originally Posted by justsweet

I do have another question though after reading through the bill, it says that a Class B cottage operation shall not be open for business unless it obtains a permit from the local enforcement agency. Now, what would the permit actually be called and who would be my local enforcement agency? And, are there other hoops we may have to jump through? I really appreciate you help.


That's an excellent question, it's not really clear from the bill. My interpretation is that they are leaving it up to each county health dept on how they want to handle Class B operations, with the expectation that each county will create a streamlined health permit for Class B CFL businesses. But you only need to worry about this if you sell wholesale.

Note that this is in addition to the zoning permit, which is required for all CFL businesses, and compliance with HOA bylaws (if any).



Thanks Jason,

Here is a question someone asked maybe you can answer: Class B is if you are selling goods wholesale and Class A is not selling wholesale and does not require a permit. Is this correct.
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post #97 of 145
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Here is a question someone asked maybe you can answer: Class B is if you are selling goods wholesale and Class A is not selling wholesale and does not require a permit. Is this correct.


Correct. Class A businesses would still need a business license in most areas but would not require health inspections as long as only the approved foods are produced.
post #98 of 145
I'm a hobby Baker and not planning to sell but hopping this passes for others that plan to do so
post #99 of 145
I am a baker in Orange county (the county with the toughest regs IMO) and I've been trying to decide to build a kitchen or throw in the towel. my business incurred some debt renting space in restaurant kitchens which were far inferior than my home kitchen. ONe, in fact, I will NEVER eat in, after seeing the kitchen conditions.

I am so excited to read this news!! It's like the answer to a prayer.

I'll be contacting my state senators today.

Jason, anything else we should do?

Jennifer
post #100 of 145
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I am a baker in Orange county (the county with the toughest regs IMO) and I've been trying to decide to build a kitchen or throw in the towel. my business incurred some debt renting space in restaurant kitchens which were far inferior than my home kitchen. ONe, in fact, I will NEVER eat in, after seeing the kitchen conditions.


Restaurant kitchens are tough to work in, but we've had great experiences with commercial kitchen facilities that were specifically set up to rent out to small businesses. In OC there are rental options in Orange, Costa Mesa, and Laguna Niguel (I don't have experience with any of these but they might be worth checking out):
http://www.culinaryincubator.com/maps.php?state=CA

Re the CFL, it is currently in the CA Senate appropriations committee, so contacting your state senator is the best you can do right now. You can find out who that is here:
http://192.234.213.69/smapsearch/framepage.asp

You can also try contacting the senators on appropriations, but if you're not in their district you probably won't be able to reach them.
http://sapro.senate.ca.gov/
post #101 of 145
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The bill passed the Senate appropriations committee unanimously, next step is a Senate floor vote.

Analysis of fiscal impact of the bill here:
http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/11-12/bill/asm/ab_1601-1650/ab_1616_cfa_20120805_151334_sen_comm.html
post #102 of 145
how exciting! thanks for the update!
post #103 of 145
Jason, thanks for keeping everyone updated on this. I myself won't participate as I feel I'm too old at this point to even think of baking for profit, but I'm pushing for it for all the other people in CA who can benefit from this CFL. I'm hoping it will give others the opportunity to do what they enjoy while also bringing in some money to help support families in these tough economic times. The time and energy you spend in keeping us abreast of the updates is greatly appreciated.
post #104 of 145
The motion on 8/6, which passed, was to place it on the Appropriations suspense file. My understanding is that this is probably due to the fiscal impact being different (probably more) than they originally expected.
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post #105 of 145
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The motion on 8/6, which passed, was to place it on the Appropriations suspense file. My understanding is that this is probably due to the fiscal impact being different (probably more) than they originally expected.


You're absolutely right, looks like I jumped the gun on this one. Once (if) it clears the suspense file there will be another vote to pass Appropriations and send it to the floor, but if that doesn't happen by next Friday (Aug 17) it will be pushed to next year.

It's my understanding that in order to clear the suspense file $150K-300K needs to be carved out of the General Fund to implement the bill, and given the state of the budget and the relatively low priority of this bill that might be a tall order.
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