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Did I overcharge?

post #1 of 31
12/14/11 at 8:25am
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A customer requested this cake: http://www.wilton.com/idea/Lucky-Leap-Frog and wanted 25 servings so I was going to make the frog (15 servings) and a 6" round base (10-12 servings).

I quoted a price of $3.25/serving for a total of $81.25 and also gave her a 5% discount with a total of about $78. She said that is way too high and she'll keep shopping around.

Did I overcharge?? icon_confused.gif
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post #2 of 31
12/14/11 at 8:44am
i myself find pricing a struggle but have had lost of advice from people in the trade.
you will never please everyone at the end of the day. there are always people who want a handmade cake for the price a supermarket charges for their nasty machine produced cakes.
my answer would of been for them to go get one from a market
i personally think that your price was very competitive!
i myself have just got into this and started selling my cakes and was being told by my customers i undercharge!
so you charge ,the time you put in to making it, and all your costs incuding,box,board,ribbon,gas,and petrol if delivering.not just cake ingredients.
you will always get people walk away in any trade. your better off letting that happen than working for nothing.
hope this helps
linzi
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post #3 of 31
12/14/11 at 8:51am
Location and market has a lot to do with pricing cakes. 3D cakes are specialties that not everyone can do so I don't think you over charged at $3.25 a serving. But your area is a big part and your target market.
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post #4 of 31
12/14/11 at 8:53am
If you are doing this or plan to do this as a business, you should really look into the Cake Boss software. It is the best purchase I've made it.
It not only shows you how much money you have in your cakes, it allows you to set an hourly rate for yourself etc.

It completely changed how I felt about my pricing and my time. It also has awesome features where it will store the cost of your ingredients, your recipes , calculate the cost for each recipe and order and even make you a shopping list. Not to mention it manages, orders, invoicing and your calendar. It's awesome stuff. There is even a CC discount. People think the price is high , I think it's $150 but that is super cheap. Think about what people pay for Turbo Tax or quicken which require updates. Cake boss een has free support.
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post #5 of 31
12/14/11 at 9:03am
3D cakes are a huge pain, we charge a minimum of $250 regardless of size. If you estimate how long it will take you to make the cake you will probably find that you undercharged.
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post #6 of 31
12/14/11 at 9:12am
Are you kidding? 3-D cakes are something the grocery stores don't do and most bakeries charge considerably more for. Ask your friend if she ordered slices of cake at a restaurant what the cost would be per piece. More than likely a lot higher than $3 per slice and no presentation at all.
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post #7 of 31
12/14/11 at 9:33am
I definitely do not think you overcharged at all! 3D's cakes like others have said are hard work and specialty. You can't just go pick one up at walmart and if you could , well it would be a walmart cake. They are made fast, cheap and the taste and look reflect that.
I once was asked by a friend for a 1/2 slab buttercream transfer Dora cake that I had made for someone else. The ingredients alone were 40 and the time you spend making the transfer not to mention baking and icing the cake are long. I told her just give me the money for ingredients and consider the labour my present because I have known her daughters since birth.
She actually said 40 was way too much and to forget it .
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I find people who buy 20 dollar cakes usually can't seem to grasp the time and effort that go into a custom cake.
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post #8 of 31
12/14/11 at 9:33am
I charge $ 11 per serving for 3D cakes. Because I quite hate them. So if they order, I want to be well paid to do that PIA. icon_smile.gif
Paula
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post #9 of 31
12/14/11 at 9:36am
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Thanks! I knew I would get honest answers here!

I use Cake Boss and that is how I calculated $3.25/serving. The cake doesn't need carving... it uses the 3D bear pan.

Yes, that's what I figured.. that she won't find such cakes for cheap anywhere else. And also that you pay so much more per serving for dessert at a restaurant!

Thank you so much for the support! I'll probably offer her the option for cupcakes or just the frog (15 servings) that she can place on a grocery store cake... it will be nice for her to compare the taste and quality too!
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post #10 of 31
12/14/11 at 9:44am
OMG, i have a home base business and i would of charged 125 for that cake! I refuse to work on a cake so time consuming for less then 100.
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post #11 of 31
12/14/11 at 9:46am
Absolutely fair pricing. I'd like to add that if you go to Walmart or any grocery store and get a $20 cake, most often its not that good. I mean seriously the reason I started doing my kids' cakes (which is what got me started on a path to a bakery) was because they store bought cakes are not that good. If I'm going to spend $$ on a cake, its gonna taste good and not just be "another cake" than just anyone can get. I like to put a personal touch on everything and make all my customers happy. I had someone want a Cars cake that was 2 tier for aout 40-50 ppl and she wanted all this fondant work etc. I quoted her $95 including the discount I gave her and she said nevermind because she's already spent too much on the kids party and that was just too much. She went to walmart got a sheet cake which she paid $40 for and none of the kids liked it and I was told that she was unhappy with the decorations on the cake. I've had so many tell me that my cakes are usually the ones people go back for 2nds and 3rds on... and they rarely have any leftovers...
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post #12 of 31
12/14/11 at 9:47am
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Thank you!!! I feel so much better now. I was feeling kinda low thinking I overcharged and missed out! I'm still starting out and trying to get my name in the market, however, I don't want to undercharge and have a loss.
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post #13 of 31
12/14/11 at 9:52am
Until I got into 'caking', I too thought 3D cakes were ridiculously overcharged. NOW I UNDERSTAND COMPLETELY!!! To be honest, I sometimes wonder if it's worth it (financially and time wise) to continue cake decorating.
When I was charging $3/serving (I know, what was I thinking??), I couldn't keep up with the orders...now I know why. I've changed my price to $4.50/serving and the orders haven't slowed down that much. I reasearched other cake decorators in my area, and their pricing is upwards the $6-$8/serving. So now I know I'm undercharging...odds are I'll be changing my pricing yet again. I absolutely love cake decorating, but I certainly don't want to be taken advantage of.

Like someone else in this thread had mentioned, you can't please everyone. You win some and you lose some, but odds are, if your customer is actually shopping around, she'll either settle for the Wal-Mart slab or call you afterall. Don't let it bother you icon_smile.gif
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post #14 of 31
12/14/11 at 9:54am
One of my very first cakes was a basketball. It was my first carved cake and the ball was a full sized basketball all cake. It took me over 17 hours of work and wasn't cheap seen as I used a FS carving recipe and there was quite a bit of fondant. Making a round carved cake ...I never knew because it was my first that it was such a pia . I charged 40 because it was a kid in my daughters class. I still kick myself for that one. I really never know what to charge friends and feel bad for charging at all....i took a cake hiatus because of the "free" requests of "friends"

I have a cleaning business and cakes is a side hobby for now ...so I tend to always sell myself short with both ...and am learning I provide a service and especially with the cakes a lot of time and hard work goes into them, charge what you are worth and if people don't like it ...well there are other bakers ( and cleaners lol )
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post #15 of 31
12/14/11 at 9:55am
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Thanks SweetHeartTart! Yes.. can't please everyone... if she wants it she'll come back!

BTW, I love your name! lol!
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