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post #16 of 73
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ad we're not the only ones who don't do cupcake cakes...we don't get many requests for them, but when customers do ask for cupcake cakes they are shocked that we don't make them. They usually end up ordering a regular cake or a couple dozen cupcakes instead.



Did I miss something? Cupcake cakes are bad? icon_redface.gif
post #17 of 73
I wish I was quoted ANY of the prices I'm seeing on here. I was quoted $100 for an 8" cake with minimal designs for my son's 1st birthday!
post #18 of 73
I'm going to be the bad guy... Don't blame the tv shows when you don't post prices yourself. This is the only industry I can think of that sells a readily available retail product and forces the public to stay ignorant of the prices. I practice what I preach. Every fondant cake on my site has the sizes of the tiers, number of servings, price per serving, and total price for that cake. I then state that other sizes and styles are available. I don't even specialize in wedding cakes and I get about 20% of my calls for wedding cakes. I start talking price and budget immediately before I get any deeper.
post #19 of 73
people are clueless. One of my good friends asked me if I could beat grocery store prices icon_confused.gif
I about fell over. How could she even ask such a thing. She hates grocery store cakes because of the shortening icing, um hello? shortening $ vs. butter $$$ baby! My eyes nearly popped out of my head. Uh no I cannot beat or match grocery store prices. My cakes are made with natural ingredients. If you want grocery store prices go to the grocery store. And she does. Whatever. Friends and family can be the worst for expecting grand cakes on busy weekends at little to no cost. There are two pieces of advice I am still working on putting into practice, but they are both good ones.

1.tell friend/family member you will sit down with them and work up a quote (NORMAL PRICE for customer) and then take off a discount since it's them and SHOW them the regular price and their discounted price.

2. another great idea I need to implement.... If the cake is a gift I choose the design, if your paying for it you choose the design.
post #20 of 73
I understand how annoying that can be, I get it too sometimes. What I have been doing for a while is trying to refer everyone to my website or fb page before they actually call me. When they do call me and seem unsure of what they want or prices, I say "well have you checked out my website? its www.abcd.com, you can see photos of things I offer along with the prices. Why dont you take a peek and then call me back?
If they can afford me, they call back. If not, they at least see on the website how much I expect to charge. It saves me a lot of wasted talk time and explaining.
post #21 of 73
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Originally Posted by scp1127

I'm going to be the bad guy... Don't blame the tv shows when you don't post prices yourself. This is the only industry I can think of that sells a readily available retail product and forces the public to stay ignorant of the prices. I practice what I preach. Every fondant cake on my site has the sizes of the tiers, number of servings, price per serving, and total price for that cake. I then state that other sizes and styles are available. I don't even specialize in wedding cakes and I get about 20% of my calls for wedding cakes. I start talking price and budget immediately before I get any deeper.



that is great!!!! as a new hobby baker I am still clueless how much cakes really cost (only bought b-day sheet cakes from publix and my wedding cake was part of the package deal from the caterer) I dont know much much it cost me to make a cake b/c each time I have made one I have wanted to make one, yea I buy the stuff but it's mixed in w/ all my other grocery items so I am not sure how much the caking part costs.

That is great that you are upfront about the prices on your site, I am sure it helps ppl quickly know what they are getting themselves into when wanting a custom cake.
post #22 of 73
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I guess the part I hate is how they insinuate that I'm trying to rip them off. icon_sad.gif



I had one of my best friends do that to me last week! I made her a 10 inch round cake, with a 6 inch 3 layer flower pot cake ontop, ALL covered in fondant and 2 dozen or more gumpaste flowers, I charged her 70$, at cost, I assured her I wasn't charging her for labor, and she questioned everything that she was paying for etc, etc. I was a little insulted, I worked my butt of on that thing!
post #23 of 73
Speaking of which, can anyone please tell me the most reasonable way to price a cake or direct me to where I can find out? I too just started doing this as a hobby, and now I have so many people asking me for cakes. It's really great, but I guess I feel guilty charging since I'm so new at this. BUT... newbie or not, any cake I make is made the right way, using the best ingredients, and I can't afford to give them away either! Any help would be greatly appreciated!
post #24 of 73
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Originally Posted by gladysrdz24

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ad we're not the only ones who don't do cupcake cakes...we don't get many requests for them, but when customers do ask for cupcake cakes they are shocked that we don't make them. They usually end up ordering a regular cake or a couple dozen cupcakes instead.



Did I miss something? Cupcake cakes are bad? icon_redface.gif



No, they're not bad, but the popularity of cupcake cakes has all but died off. I used to make them fairly often when the craze was on, and general feedback was cupcake cakes were a lot messier for little kids to eat.
Which makes total sense when you think about it.

1. You have to ice the cupcakes to make them look like a certain solid shape. To do that, you have to use a lot of icing to hide the fact you're using cupcakes, not a solid slab of cake carved into that shape.

2. A lot of that icing ends up falling between the cracks where the cupcakes meet, as its impossible to get round cupcakes to fit snug together on all sides.

3. When its time to pull the cupcake cake apart to eat, instead of getting an indiviual iced cupcake, the kids get an iced cupcake with extra blobs of icing stuck to the sides of the liners, and in no time, stuck to their little hands. icon_confused.gif

Hence the cupcake cakes are messier to eat feedback.

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post #25 of 73
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Originally Posted by mzunique

Speaking of which, can anyone please tell me the most reasonable way to price a cake or direct me to where I can find out? I too just started doing this as a hobby, and now I have so many people asking me for cakes. It's really great, but I guess I feel guilty charging since I'm so new at this. BUT... newbie or not, any cake I make is made the right way, using the best ingredients, and I can't afford to give them away either! Any help would be greatly appreciated!


NJ does not have a cottage food law yet, but one is in the works...until NJ passes a cottage food law you cannot legally sell cakes made in your home kitchen, so I would hold off until if and when it passes.

In general, you calculate price for a product by adding the ingredient cost, labor cost, and per-order overhead cost, then adding 20-30% for your profit margin.
post #26 of 73
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Originally Posted by gladysrdz24

Did I miss something? Cupcake cakes are bad? icon_redface.gif


Cupcake cakes are not bad per se, they just tend to look amateurish in our opinion and we're not comfortable putting our name on a product like that.
post #27 of 73
I always do my friends birthday cake for her as a present to her. Well her sister is now getting married and she wanted me to do her cake. Again as a favor to my friend I charged her a super cheap price for the cake and the whole family was appalled! I even showed them how much the ingredients were going to cost and how little i was going to get from it..They ended up buying their wedding cake from WALMART!! Let me tell ya.....it tasted horrible, was ugly, and was not what they asked for!! Afterwards they apologized and realized they pay for QUALITY with me---not QUANITY!!
post #28 of 73
Ok, I have to add this aspect. I live in a small town and a while back I had my first person EVER stiff me on a cake. She got the cake and didn't pay for it. (Long story as to why I didn't get cash up front) Long story short, her ONLY grandson turned 1 this year, she want a very specialized cake (Chuggington) that no one else around here can do. (This is where my rambling is pertinent... not something she could get at WalMart) So... since she stiffed me $25, instead of calling me and giving me the $25 she owed plus the amount for the new cake up front (which I would have happily done for her) she had to drive 80 miles away to get a cake from a specialty baker, paid twice what I'd have charged, then 80 miles back home to the party. No lie. 160 miles. What do you spose that cost in gas in her older SUV? Her daughter asked me why I wasn't doing the cake and I told her, she never asked. She still owes me for the last one. She was like, "SHE NEVER PAID YOU!?!?!" Nope. Sorry to go off on a rant.
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post #29 of 73
I feel your pain I run into that also, but I have taken pictures of a simply decorated cake and said here is a cake, then take a picture of something crazy, figures, flowers a 3d cake, well you get my idea and then tell them THIS IS ART!
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post #30 of 73
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Originally Posted by jason_kraft

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Originally Posted by gladysrdz24

Did I miss something? Cupcake cakes are bad? icon_redface.gif


Cupcake cakes are not bad per se, they just tend to look amateurish in our opinion and we're not comfortable putting our name on a product like that.



Jeepers, you could have said that in wee bit nicer way. Such as we don't make cupcake cakes as there is no demand for them in our area etc, and leave it at that.
To actually say you think they look amateurish and you're not comfortable putting your name to them, is a bit of a slap in the face for decorators who still make them.

Everyone is different in where they are in the field. Thats why using tact when talking cakes or cupcake cakes, with other decorators is so very important.
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