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I just learned the creamcheese/fondant or gumpaste lesson

post #1 of 27
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I never make cream cheese icing. Only for a diabetic icing I make for my husbands grandmother. Well her birthday is tonight and I had her cake all done, opened the box this morning and the gumpaste had literally turned into puddles of goo. That was a fun lesson to learn...ugh. So glad I had time to redo everything. I ended up putting a thin coat of buttercream over the cream cheese icing and then decorating ontop of it. So far so good. This way she can just scrape off the outer icing. Just a reminder for everyone not to make this mistake. I guess I knew better but I was so excited to use my new cricut cake it slipped my mind. icon_sad.gif
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post #2 of 27
I got to experience the same lovely event when I cut out lots of black scrolls to put on a cake.. only to see them turn the icing around them to a red color (from the black).. then they slowly slid down the side of the cake...ugh... and this was for a client.. and at 11:00 at night.. ugh... won't do that one again.. no more diabetic anything... sorry out there!
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post #3 of 27
Something i didnt know either, havnt done it yet , usually i use a cream cheese based icing for filling and then a regular buttercream icing for the dam and the dirty ice.
At least i know now not to dirtyice in the same cream cheese buttercream.
post #4 of 27
I'm confused, are you saying the cream cheese icing ruined your GP?

I have put GP & MMF on Cream Cheese covered cakes before without issue.

Hmmm...
post #5 of 27
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in my experiance yeah it ruined it...then again it was a diabetic based cream cheese icing made with creamcheese heavy whipping cream sugar free pudding and splenda
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post #6 of 27
Here is an alternative to powdered sugar:
http://www.ehow.com/way_5231052_alternatives-powdered-sugar.html

You can use this alternative to make buttercream icing for diabetics!
post #7 of 27
I had no idea. I am planning a cake for a friend and was going to use cream cheese frosting (mine has cream cheese and powdered sugar- so not for a diabetic).....

So based on this..you can't put MMF on cream cheese frosting?
post #8 of 27
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i have never tried it, but have heard that there can be issues....?
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post #9 of 27
Rachie: just so you know, I have a crusting cream cheese frosting recipe that I use on my cakes and then cover in fondant. I have never had a problem with it. I think the other person was talking about putting figures/cutouts directly onto a cake iced with the cream cheese. I have never done that, so I don't know. You can see it on my cakes in gallery. The monkey cake and the ballerina/valentine cake are both cream cheese.
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post #10 of 27
I have done cupcakes in crusting buttercream and have had the same issue with the fondant kind of melting into it over night. I usually put them on a plastic container so i thought that it was the plastic making all the cakes sweaty and melting the fondant. still not sure what caused this.
post #11 of 27
Jenniferc03, I've used cream cheese frosting with MMF over the top many times and never had an issue. (regular non-diabetic cream cheese frosting)

I think the issue here was the diabetic recipes causing problems.
post #12 of 27
No, I had the exact same issue with my cream cheese icing and fondant. The first time, I couldn't figure out why the puddles of blue goop where forming all around my cake. Unlike the OP, I was not quick enough to catch on, and repeate the same mistake a few cakes later ... green goo at the base of my fairy cake (take a look at my pics, I had to scramble to cover it in fondant leaves after wiping it up).

It has nothing to do with the diabetic aspect of the recipe. It's simply an issue of humidity in the icing. Depending on your cream cheese recipe, you will have a higher or lower proportion of fat/moisture vs sugar ... if your recipe happens to be heavy on the sugar, this might not be an issue. In my case (and the OP's, it seems), it most certainly was. Long story short, yes, a cream cheese frosting can be used under fondant, if the recipe is a firm crusting recipe with a higher sugar-to-fat content. But unless you know you have a recipe that fits these specifications, you should probably be careful.

Me, I just use it as a filling, and make absolutely sure NOT to let it peek out anywhere over my very firm and stable dam and crumbcoat!!! icon_smile.gif Sorry to the OP that this happened, I can't be more sympathetic!


* edited because I misspelled "dam", and that's a bad word to misspell icon_smile.gif *
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post #13 of 27
ive never had a problem either, with both cutouts laying on cream cheese icing (cupcakes & cakes) or covering a cream cheese iced cake in fondant. hmmm.....
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post #14 of 27
I've had the same problem before, with the splenda & whipping cream diabetic icing, but never with cream cheese frosting. It happened on the NASCAR cake in my pics. The black fondant just melted and oozed all over the place. Luckily the client was a frequent client, she was totally understanding because she knew it was my first time doing a diabetic cake. The rest of the cake looked fine except the track on top, and I gave her a discount on the final price of the cake to acknowledge the issue.
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post #15 of 27
well I guess I am about to run into the same problem icon_sad.gif I'm making a chocolate cake with chocolate cream cheese frosting and was going to cover it in fondant. This cake has started out as a disaster already because the cakes got stuck in the pan and....well....it's just bad. I think I can salvage it but now with this news about the fondant over the cream cheese icing, I'm even more deflated! icon_cry.gif
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