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post #91 of 183
Many times illegal bakers do not file any taxes, and the excuse of "Every one else is doing it" and "I didn't know" is not going to fly with the IRS.

Also, this I'm only doing it for friends and family may seem safe to you, but you never know what can happen. Indeby has a story she has written on here about a family member of a person falling at their home and suing them, she can tell it to you much better. The point of the story is that your family and friends can "turn" on you.

It just takes one incident or the IRS finding out to ruin your family's financial future.
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post #92 of 183
the sky is falling the sky is falling
my cookies are prettier than your cookies because this is the second time i substituted my opalescent sanding sugar when i ran out of sugar to make the batch ha!

 

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post #93 of 183
Not stating an opinion either way....

I am amazed at the number of people who get on a public forum and admit illegal activities. I have spent years teaching my children that anything put on a computer is there for good. Facebook, Myspace, yahoo groups, cake forums...
post #94 of 183
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Originally Posted by BethLS

I know here in Michigan, it is illegal to drive my car without wearing a seatbelt. Why? If I am hurting absolutely NO ONE with my choice, why should the government tell me I have to do it?


People in accidents who do not wear seat belts generally require more expensive medical care, using up resources that could have gone to help someone else. They also cause more traffic, as accidents with serious injuries require longer to clear and often involve an ambulance (which again could have been used to transport someone else).

And FYI, you are only required to wear a seat belt if you drive on public roads (i.e. maintained by the government). You are free to create your own private road system if you'd like to avoid the government's draconian safety requirements.

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Whatabout the people who die in cars because they cant get their seatbelts off?


This is an urban legend, read the link below.

http://www.snopes.com/autos/techno/seatbelt.asp

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Without HANDS ON training, (classes maybe, or perhaps working as a decorator prior to in a "real" bakery or heck, I dunno, doing it, gasp, illegally) the fact is most people can't.


There is nothing illegal about making cakes at home to practice. The only thing you can't legally do (unless your state allows it) is accept compensation for said cakes. If you can't afford to spend a few months practicing on free cakes or dummies, work for someone else to get the practice.
post #95 of 183
My boss's son (think he was 15) died in the back seat of a car and he was the only one wearing a seat belt--the others walked away. Christmas time many years ago when only lap belts were required.

Six of one half dozen of another. Clearly people do die in accidents where wearing seatbelts exacerbate the injuries even to this day.

However--get this--several months ago, my son's (now) father-in-law had his cruise on at 60 and within a few seconds of making visual contact with this out of control vehicle he was hit head on--other dude was speeding.

Fil got out of his car and someone got him sitting down --let him lean against her back 'cause there was no place to rest on the side of the road.

He was taken to The Med one of the finest trauma facilities in the world. They did not even admit him overnight. He went home that evening. Walked africkenway from a head on something like 130mph into a brick wall accident.

Walked away.

Sure he was bruised through & through--in fact we found out later he had been hit two more times. He had just bought a Lexus (think it was) with this incredible puff bag thing that only inflates to 1/8 inch of your face--saved his 70 year old life.

The other guy had broken every bone in his body-don't know if he ever even made it--was in a coma for weeks and weeks is all I know.

There's seat belts and there's seat belts.
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post #96 of 183
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Whatabout the people who die in cars because they cant get their seatbelts off?


This is an urban legend, read the link below.

http://www.snopes.com/autos/techno/seatbelt.asp

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Completely off topic but nowhere does that snopes article offer any proof to their false claim. I usually trust snopes but that is the lamest proof I've ever seen.

And the fact that you are trying to use some really badly written article to tell someone that their father's personal experience is lame, is just silly. Until you can show true scientific data, I wouldn't dare use this article to ever try and prove that seatbelts don't get stuck.

Seatbelts are made of materials that wear down and can break, thereby indicating that there is the probability of a seatbelt not releasing when in an accident. Everything else in your car wears down and needs replaced, but not your seatbelt? Now that's just common sense.
post #97 of 183
What if you open a party planning service. All the sevices that you offer have a cake included. So technically, you're not selling your cakes, you're selling your party planning services. It just so happens to havea cake included in that package that the bride/customer wants. It's one way around it....right!
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post #98 of 183
Jason,

Definately NOT a hoak/spoof/whatever. My father has seen it, as have I. Rare, yes of course. (Considering the amount of calls we've both attended) But nonetheless it DOES happen. Anyone who tells you otherwise are morons without any facts that still lives in a fantasy world.

One story haunts me to this day...
Back when I was little, my dad was a police officer for our small (population 600) village. (Called a village, because not enough to technially be a "town") My mom was out with a girlfriend (also rare!) and my dad was off duty. He was also a volunteer fire fighter. We were going up to "town" that day and witnessed an accident. My dad happened to be there at the right time to save one little girl in the back seat, but not her daddy that was trapped in the car from his seat belt. My dad, not being on duty and not prepared that day, (and before the common cellphone) didn't have his knife on him. (My father, who is now 71, to this day never NOT carries his knife) We literally (me, my dad, and the girl about my age) stood by and watched this man die in front of us, all because his vehicle was burning, and my dad couldn't get him out. You want to talk problems, and nightmares? Boy, that was it.
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post #99 of 183
Omg, Beth.
my cookies are prettier than your cookies because this is the second time i substituted my opalescent sanding sugar when i ran out of sugar to make the batch ha!

 

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post #100 of 183
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Originally Posted by geri4292adams

What if you open a party planning service. All the sevices that you offer have a cake included. So technically, you're not selling your cakes, you're selling your party planning services. It just so happens to havea cake included in that package that the bride/customer wants. It's one way around it....right!


Correct, as long as the cake was made in a licensed and inspected facility (for example, if you bought the cake from a real bakery pre-decorated and brought it to the venue).

If you are still making/decorating the cake at home, and your state does not allow this, it's still illegal. In fact, it's worse if you try to get around it with clever tricks, because that shows that you knew what you were doing was wrong and you were trying to circumvent the law (could be interpreted as fraud).
post #101 of 183
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Originally Posted by BethLS

Definately NOT a hoak/spoof/whatever. My father has seen it, as have I. Rare, yes of course. (Considering the amount of calls we've both attended) But nonetheless it DOES happen.


To clarify, I'm not saying that there are never cases where people are harmed by seat belts. The hoax is that seat belts should not be required because of these rare cases. Looking at aggregate numbers, seat belts save many more lives than they take, the net result (from an economic perspective at least) being fewer medical costs and lower taxes per capita. The sources in my link above will back that up.

I'm sure there are tons of horror stories on both sides, but the plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
post #102 of 183
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Originally Posted by jasonkraft


... the plural of "anecdote" is not "data".



'Got where you're coming from now--and I've been searching for a sound bite like this--thanks, Cake-Buddy.
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post #103 of 183
There's law...but frankly...its no business of a CC member in Louisiana (just pulled that out of a hat, no reference to anyone here) to tell a CC member in, say, Idaho, that they should not ask questions on CC about selling cake until they are licensed.

Let the person mind their own business. Let them decide if they are going to follow the law or not. Let them face the results of whatever they choose.

Just answer their stupid cake question and go back to your legal caking...ya know? Really....

My main issue is not that its okay to be illegal but that I get tired of the busybodies who like to start debates in threads about whether the OP is being a bad little girl or a good little girl.

I mean...that would be like...if I get on here and say "I have a problem...I was delivering a cake....and I got to the venue and I realized that I had left the gumpaste flowers at home...what should I do?" And someone to get on and say "I'm not sure, I have no experience with that, but were you speeding on your way to the venue or on the way home? Because if you were, you're a lawbreaker, and you're lucky the caterer doesn't turn your license number into the police."

I mean really...let the person speed, and let them get pulled over....let the baker be illegal, and let them get caught....but I think each of us have enough problems with family and illness and money and decorating to keep our own selves busy in our own lives without pointing fingers at somebody else's.

There are a TON of informative threads on this site about being legal...there is a huge thread on what states are legal....its very easy for a baker to find out what's right to do. Can we just let it rest at that?????

And if you are worried about local "illegals"....sheesh... just make your business so darn good nobody will WANT to buy from the "illegals". Spend that energy into your own business, not getting mad at someone else. Actually my biggest competition here are other licensed businesses...gives me something to work towards.
post #104 of 183
I want to chime in.

I desparately wanted to be a licensed baker and was in fact told by my state and county that this was possible in my home in a seperate, commercial kitchen than my family kitchen. So I worked full time, overtime, and part time, and sold cakes as a hobby...If you read up on hobby income on the IRS website, you will find that federally you can sell cakes from home out of your family kitchen, but this cannot be your main source of income. Doing one to three cakes a week was certainly not going to allow me to quit my job. Anywho...

When I went to take my saved money and buy a license, hire a contractor and build the kitchen, I was informed that I had been misinformed and while my state does allow for this kitchen at home, my county does not. I could continue to do cakes as a hobby. I posted a desparate thread here about it b/c my dream was to raise a family and do cakes from home.

Instead, I'm trying hard to focus on my family, I only work part time and I do cakes for a hobby. I follow the IRS rules for hobby income AND I REPORT EVERY BIT OF IT ON MY 1040. At the end of this year, I will not renew my business license. I intended to use the license this year to pursue a cake rental business (I did that once for a young couple) but it doesn't truly help my feed my passion. So this is what I've resorted to.

And I'm happy with it.
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post #105 of 183
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Originally Posted by torysgirl87

I want to chime in.

I desparately wanted to be a licensed baker and was in fact told by my state and county that this was possible in my home in a seperate, commercial kitchen than my family kitchen. So I worked full time, overtime, and part time, and sold cakes as a hobby...If you read up on hobby income on the IRS website, you will find that federally you can sell cakes from home out of your family kitchen, but this cannot be your main source of income. Doing one to three cakes a week was certainly not going to allow me to quit my job. Anywho...

When I went to take my saved money and buy a license, hire a contractor and build the kitchen, I was informed that I had been misinformed and while my state does allow for this kitchen at home, my county does not. I could continue to do cakes as a hobby. I posted a desparate thread here about it b/c my dream was to raise a family and do cakes from home.

Instead, I'm trying hard to focus on my family, I only work part time and I do cakes for a hobby. I follow the IRS rules for hobby income AND I REPORT EVERY BIT OF IT ON MY 1040. At the end of this year, I will not renew my business license. I intended to use the license this year to pursue a cake rental business (I did that once for a young couple) but it doesn't truly help my feed my passion. So this is what I've resorted to.

And I'm happy with it.



So basically if you do not have a business name or business advertising, you are allowed to receive compensation for your hobby?

That's awesome. thumbs_up.gif Great post.
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