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post #16 of 32
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thanks PiccoloChellie , that was a very helpful post....
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... or we will attempt to obtain it for you at a cost of $20 per hour.



hmmm considering that's a lot of legal beagle work, shouldn't you charge more like a lawyer/attorney would -- say $100 hour?

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post #18 of 32
I would try the wilton 3D teddy bear to do the mickey mouse. maybe when you put the picture up here or if you have a website maybe put underneath it that it was for family and was not a paid gift.

As a newbie here we have to learn the regulars way of talking I guess. I too have had issues and it always comes off as "oh it wasn't meant that way!" or "I'm just playing!" take the advise that they give you as good advise but how they say it with a grain of salt. You will learn a lot of great decorating and cake baking tips on this site.
post #19 of 32
My post was not meant in a condescending manner, but I can't help how you read it. It is the same reply I have given many of times on here on the same subject.
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My post was not meant in a condescending manner, but I can't help how you read it. It is the same reply I have given many of times on here on the same subject.



I understand that but sometimes people read things differently.
post #21 of 32
wow, so do you still want to know how to DO the cake? I kinda thought that is what you were actually asking for. But maybe I missed something!


I'd run a screwed from the bottom dowel off center of your board. Stack a 8 inch and a 6 or 3 inch cake on top and carve it into the mounded body shape. Since you are willing to use styrofoam, I would if you can. Otherwise if you want it all edible do RK. Drill a hole in the bottom of the styro, the size of your dowel. Place it on there. I wouldn't actually carve out that "snout" that one has- I think it would look better if you just enhance the snout part without building it out so far. Dry the ears in a bowl to get them to round out- the attach sticks on the back with chocolate (or you can dry them in the gumpaste. If you need any help- just ask, it has alot going on, but it is an easy design.
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post #22 of 32
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Originally Posted by SPCC

I would try the wilton 3D teddy bear to do the mickey mouse. maybe when you put the picture up here or if you have a website maybe put underneath it that it was for family and was not a paid gift.

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I don't want to stir the pot anymore, but I do want to add some information that I got directly from the copyright office....

Copyright infringement does not apply only to goods that are sold. It applies to all reproductions, for sale or otherwise. So making a cake with a copyrighted character or other image on it without premission from the copyright holder is copyright infringement - whether it is sold, made for family, or just thrown in the trash right after it is completed.
post #23 of 32
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Originally Posted by SPCC

I would try the wilton 3D teddy bear to do the mickey mouse. maybe when you put the picture up here or if you have a website maybe put underneath it that it was for family and was not a paid gift.

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I don't want to stir the pot anymore, but I do want to add some information that I got directly from the copyright office....

Copyright infringement does not apply only to goods that are sold. It applies to all reproductions, for sale or otherwise. So making a cake with a copyrighted character or other image on it without premission from the copyright holder is copyright infringement - whether it is sold, made for family, or just thrown in the trash right after it is completed.



why do they sell cake pans and that sort of stuff then? just wondering
post #24 of 32
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Originally Posted by SPCC

I would try the wilton 3D teddy bear to do the mickey mouse. maybe when you put the picture up here or if you have a website maybe put underneath it that it was for family and was not a paid gift.

.



I don't want to stir the pot anymore, but I do want to add some information that I got directly from the copyright office....

Copyright infringement does not apply only to goods that are sold. It applies to all reproductions, for sale or otherwise. So making a cake with a copyrighted character or other image on it without premission from the copyright holder is copyright infringement - whether it is sold, made for family, or just thrown in the trash right after it is completed.



why do they sell cake pans and that sort of stuff then? just wondering



because:
1) Wilton or whomever has LICENSED the character on the pan -- they've paid a fee to the owners of the copyright.

2) The license is for PERSONAL, PRIVATE, HOME USE only and not for commercial resale -- it's even stamped onto the pan.

3) When you buy the pan you are:

a) paying Wilton who then in turn passes on a part of that to the original company.

b) agreeing to the terms stamped on that pan that it is not for commercial resale but for private use only.

Great gimmick as how many mickey mouse bandleader cakes are you really ever going to make?

Everyone is happy, Disney (or others) get TWO fees -- the original licensing fee paid by Wilton and the per pan sold fee.

Wilton makes a bunch of money

And you get ..... well sick of using the pan. icon_rolleyes.gif
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post #25 of 32
I have found this to be a very touchy subject. I know we come here for specific advice but I have decided not to post anymore questions about copyrighted characters. If it's for a family member and you don't intend on posting your finished picture then heck with it make the cake. I know it's not legal but these companies put out their products in hopes that small children will fall in love with their toys or images and of course they are going to want a character birthday cake. If your not making a profit on the cake and it's for family I don't see a problem. I made a cake for a friend and she purchased Disney toys and put them on the cake. It's sad but Disney is one company you don't want to mess with. Don't these companies realize that when kids pick a theme for their birthdays they are actually making more money on their character. How many parents run to the store to purchase matching plates, cups, tablecloths and toys for party bags. Just a thought.
post #26 of 32
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thanks JanetBme, for replying to my original post...yes that sounds like a good way to do the cake. as far as building up the snout part, maybe i should use RTK for that?...
post #27 of 32
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Originally Posted by SPCC

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Originally Posted by SPCC

I would try the wilton 3D teddy bear to do the mickey mouse. maybe when you put the picture up here or if you have a website maybe put underneath it that it was for family and was not a paid gift.

.



I don't want to stir the pot anymore, but I do want to add some information that I got directly from the copyright office....

Copyright infringement does not apply only to goods that are sold. It applies to all reproductions, for sale or otherwise. So making a cake with a copyrighted character or other image on it without premission from the copyright holder is copyright infringement - whether it is sold, made for family, or just thrown in the trash right after it is completed.



why do they sell cake pans and that sort of stuff then? just wondering



because:
1) Wilton or whomever has LICENSED the character on the pan -- they've paid a fee to the owners of the copyright.

2) The license is for PERSONAL, PRIVATE, HOME USE only and not for commercial resale -- it's even stamped onto the pan.

3) When you buy the pan you are:

a) paying Wilton who then in turn passes on a part of that to the original company.

b) agreeing to the terms stamped on that pan that it is not for commercial resale but for private use only.

Great gimmick as how many mickey mouse bandleader cakes are you really ever going to make?

Everyone is happy, Disney (or others) get TWO fees -- the original licensing fee paid by Wilton and the per pan sold fee.

Wilton makes a bunch of money

And you get ..... well sick of using the pan. icon_rolleyes.gif



so you ARE getting permission to use the cake for personal use when you buy it. I haven't bought any of the pans because I know that I would only use them once. But things like cookie cutters and what nots.
post #28 of 32
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Originally Posted by sweettreat101

It's sad but Disney is one company you don't want to mess with. Don't these companies realize that when kids pick a theme for their birthdays they are actually making more money on their character. How many parents run to the store to purchase matching plates, cups, tablecloths and toys for party bags. Just a thought.



and that IS the point...

they want you to BUY the products that have been PROPERLY licensed which means they get $$$ off of each and every purchase

AND...

at the same time protect the QUALITY and REPUTATION of the company.
those products have to go through MULTIPLE reviews to meet the quality standards -- after all a shoddy product would be a bad reflection on them

and even as big as they are, Disney doesn't have enough quality assurance cast members to be in every bakery, every rented kitchen, every home kitchen to assure it meets their standards.

so, until they develop a "certified Disney baker" program......
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post #29 of 32
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Originally Posted by attackofthecakes

thanks JanetBme, for replying to my original post...yes that sounds like a good way to do the cake. as far as building up the snout part, maybe i should use RTK for that?...



if you really want to build the snout- then cut styrofoam and put toothpicks in it, and glue it to the rest of the head. If you do RK treats (this totally depends on how big you are working also) paint the whole thing with melted candy melts/candy wafers before you ice it. That will help keep it together. Do several layers with a wide brush. My daughter did a monkey cake recently- and that is how she did it. Form the rk treats on a dowel that you've spray pammed. That way you can remove it from the dowel and put it on the real dowel. She did it with my instructions, so if she can do it, it should be easy for you! Here is is...(please remember she is 22 and in NO way a professional she makes a cake maybe twice a year)
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post #30 of 32
wow. I never thought of copyright infringement in form of a cake.. that is scary..
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