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post #31 of 53
4/11/10 at 5:43pm
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Originally Posted by karenm0712

Does anyone send a follow-up email to customers to say "thank you"? I thought about doing that with a discount "coupon" for another order as a thank you for their business.



I'd be careful offering discounts as they can bite you in the behind when they expect a discount EVERY time after that first coupon. I'd put on the coupon that it's a "first time customer" thank you, or somehting like that...

I only charged $150.00 for an awesome Ocean themed cake for a boy's birthday, all sugar sculptures covering the cake, fondant, etc...and the guy seemed so apathetic, I panicked and took $10.00 off, he never said thank you ~ I'm serious...it's the BEST cake I've ever done and it was worth WAY more than what he paid. It Pi$$es me off when someone expects to pay nothing for a cake like that, especially when they own a successful company and can afford it! From the description he gave of what he wanted, I rocked that cake! I'm sure not sending him a coupon.
I just wanted to know if people wait a YEAR or do they say something right away regarding not liking design, flavor, etc. I guess I'll never quite understand the human species... icon_rolleyes.gif
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post #32 of 53
4/11/10 at 5:51pm
good Lord girl. I didn't see the cake, all I saw was "offer" a discount.

Are you KIDDING?

You NEVER never. never. "OFFER" a discount.
They ordered it. You made what they ordered. You are "zee artiste." It is your artwork, made to order, chosen by them. If you act like it's not what they wanted, they will start to see it that way too. If you act like it's perfect, they will see that (and it probably is). I make cakes where it turns out I'm not wild about the style, design (or my handiwork) often, and I just have to remind myself that, to them, it's AWsome. (and if they don't agree, I never hear about it, so I'm assuming I'm right, haha).

If, on the other hand, you used the wrong color, wrong flavor, piped it with your wrong hand while on a caffeine high and having a seizure, and then your dog ate the corner and you dropped it on the floor....then and only THEN, would I *offer* anything.

Relax, smile, and say "Here's your cake...isn't it COOL!??"
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post #33 of 53
4/11/10 at 5:53pm
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Originally Posted by kellertur

I'd be careful offering discounts as they can bite you in the behind when they expect a discount EVERY time after that first coupon. I'd put on the coupon that it's a "first time customer" thank you,

Amen! A successful business man I know said, "When you do nice for people, not only do they NOT appreciate it, but they EXPEcT it each time.

When hubby was in banking, he also learned this the hard way. He'd be "nice" and waive a bounced check fee and before you knew it, that customer thought it was ok to bounce checks because "Hey! Phil will waive that for me! He did it BEFORE!"

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post #34 of 53
4/11/10 at 5:55pm
chef_stef~ YOU are hilarious!!! icon_lol.gif
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post #35 of 53
4/11/10 at 5:59pm
Ah...thank you. I'll be here all week.

I've missed this place. icon_smile.gif too busy workin to fool around cracking jokes.
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When pricing cake, remember mom's advice: Try taking 150 guests in formal wedding attire to a nice restaurant for dessert, and see if you can get them all a piece of fresh, decadent, custom-designed cake for less than $4.00/sv!
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post #36 of 53
4/11/10 at 6:09pm
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Originally Posted by indydebi

When hubby was in banking, he also learned this the hard way. He'd be "nice" and waive a bounced check fee and before you knew it, that customer thought it was ok to bounce checks because "Hey! Phil will waive that for me! He did it BEFORE!"



My DH deals with people every day who call and whine "my account is overdrawn...FIX IT!" Take some responsibility. There have been times where they had to call in security and the bomb squad at the call center because of nutjobs showing up or calling with threats. His life was threatened twice last year!!! It's ridiculous...if you can't ballance your checkbook or ATM card ballance, maybe you should just use CASH and store it in a tin can!
He works for a bank in the back office, yet has one of the most stressfull jobs...some people actually DO appreciate it, but then others...most...have a sense of ENTITLEMENT.
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post #37 of 53
4/11/10 at 6:20pm
It looks great! I am the same way...I get a stomach ache thinking the cake is yuck...when the client really actually liked it. I have learned when I feel like this to not look at the cake for at least a week. Sometimes I will even send an email to the client asking for feedback...just so you can make sure they were completely satisfied or fix a situation, it helps!!
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post #38 of 53
4/11/10 at 6:33pm
I'm the same way...sometimes I HATE my cake....but I smile and give it to the customer and usually they exclaim over it!

Keep in mind too that some of it is just the cake is not our "taste"...but it might be theirs! I personally don't like the original cake and would never have asked for it myself....but they did, and they liked yours too!
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post #39 of 53
4/11/10 at 7:47pm
I think your cake is wonderful...And I would love to be able to write that well on a cake.
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post #40 of 53
4/11/10 at 10:41pm
Word of advice.... all y'all who expect 'giddy' every time a client picks up a cake.... well, you're gonna end up starving to death.

It's just cake. That's right. For the majority of the population... it's just cake. They don't see all the work you did on it. They just phoned or e-mailed their order and then picked up the cake a couple of weeks later.

It's just cake.
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post #41 of 53
4/13/10 at 6:53am
I gotta agree with KarmaStew........I rarely hear back from people........I just took a wedding cake order a WEEK before the wedding because their baker bailed on them, and I didn't charge them a rush fee or anything on top of my normal pricing. They had to pay the balance in full of course (normally I require it 3 full weeks before the wedding) and they paid, no problem.

The cake turned out really nice (thanks to my cake safe) and I didn't hear ANYTHING back from them. However, I emailed them a link to a survey with a 10% off your next order coupon code..................well they filled out the survey and gave me a GLOWING report along with comments on how amazing my work is especially with such little prep time and how grateful they were to find a cake decorator that actually cared about their situation!

Had I not sent them the survey, I'd have never known just how happy they were with the cake!

Maybe you could fill out a survey on survey monkey dot com and email it to this customer.........then you'll know (thanks to Doug for this info)
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post #42 of 53
4/13/10 at 7:42am
I think the original cake was probably one of the ugliest cakes I have seen (sorry to whoever did it but that's my opinion) and based on that it's probably unlikely that i'd like it regardless of how perfect it was. Your version was way nicer and you were totally honest with the client and said you wouldn't be doing it exactly like the original. You also advised her that it would be better done another way but she chose to disregard that advice so she can have no cause for complaint. You can't be responsible for her lack of taste!
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post #43 of 53
4/13/10 at 4:50pm
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I think I am going to create a survey through survey monkey for sure!

I also agree with not liking the original version of the cake. My hubby said the exact same thing! He thought it was hideous and told me he is going to be my "design consultant" from now on. lol I think I may even have him start talking to people for me via email too, he really has a creative eye. Had she let me take that pic and really "run" with the concept I think it would have turned out so much better.

Lesson learned on this order though is that I do not like doing intricate piping in detail like that only in BC. If I get another order like this and they have to stick to all BC I will refer them to someone else b/c that is definitely not my style. I know I am not going to please everyone, but to be that stressed out over a cake is not worth it in my opinion.

Thanks again for EVERYONE'S support - it is wonderful to have so many people behind me and supporting me!
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post #44 of 53
4/13/10 at 5:33pm
I just kind of skimmed through this post, but I'm putting my 2 cents in anyway.

I own a bakery, and I've done a lot of horrendous designs but the thing you have to keep in mind is 1) it's not a cake for you, so if the design sucks, they're the ones that are going to suffer with it, and 2) if they want to change the medium of the cake, then the design will change with it.

Recently I had to do a wedding cake which the design I really didn't like, and the original picture was of fondant, but the bride wanted whipped cream instead.... I should never have offered whipped cream but I did, and I mentioned to her that changing the medium will change the overal outcome of the cake, but I will stick to the design per my ability.

You are in no way obligated to give them a refund/discount unless 1) the cake is completely and totally unlike the design to the point where there is no similarities between the two, or 2) you made a mistake on the cake's flavor/insides of the cake. Besides, she didn't complain, and there was no contract to refute any of the work (I'm assuming) but I always give a copy of their order with their cake so if they have any questions on the decoration/flavor, all the information provided is on the sheet.

Dont worry about it, it's a business!

HTH
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post #45 of 53
4/14/10 at 3:23am
i know this topic is kind of resolved, but i just wanted to say that your cake was really good, i liked it better than the original, which was too 'busy'. You took the elements she wanted and made a classier looking cake in my opinion.

I felt really worried about a birthday cake my husband took in for a woman he works with because i'm fairly new at decorating with fondant.

He's just phoned to say i have two more orders from people in his office based on that cake!
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