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post #16 of 265
So...we're converting you. Come Indy, come to the light side of the force!

Seriously though. I could care less how someone bakes. You do what works for you. My problem is when someone wants to find a round about way to say they bake from a mix. Why not the truth. Same thing with being legal. I feel everyone should be, but don't say your mad cause your competition is steeling business from you and you want to tell on them cause they're illegal and your so law abiding. We know that's not why your telling. Just be honest, ya know what I mean?
post #17 of 265
The resaon people do not like to answer that question and why this comes up so often is because there is a stigma on cake making methods. It may come as a surprise to some of us but if we use mixes we're not considered as brilliant as others of us who bake from scratch. Go figure.

I can bake a cake from scratch using the same ingredients found in a cake mix including the emulsifiers and conditioners. So I think the lines between scratch and mix are not only blurred but silly.

Whenever I've been asked that question it's been for the purpose of soothing someone's prejudice for one method over the other. I am a seller of decorated cake so I don't want to divide my market so I don't believe untempered honestly is the best policy myself.

Unbridled honesty can be a painful thing.
'Do these jeans make me look fat?'

I say I use both mixes and and scratch depending. And beyond that I unashamedly play the 'trade secret' card. But of course will provide the list of ingredients.

If someone asks me scratch or mix my 100% honest answer would be, "That's an ignorant question." And then they might not order from me huh.

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post #18 of 265
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Originally Posted by K8memphis-

If someone asks me scratch or mix my 100% honest answer would be, "That's an ignorant question." And then they might not order from me huh.



ohhhhhh! So you're saying it might be a bad idea for me to put that response on my list of "Things I'd Love to Say the Next Time They Ask .....". icon_confused.gificon_biggrin.gif

Crap! And it was going to go near the top of the list, too! icon_lol.gif
post #19 of 265
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Originally Posted by indydebi

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Originally Posted by K8memphis-

If someone asks me scratch or mix my 100% honest answer would be, "That's an ignorant question." And then they might not order from me huh.



ohhhhhh! So you're saying it might be a bad idea for me to put that response on my list of "Things I'd Love to Say the Next Time They Ask .....". icon_confused.gificon_biggrin.gif

Crap! And it was going to go near the top of the list, too! icon_lol.gif



I'd be proud for it to make the list! icon_lol.gificon_lol.gif

if you had your own tv show what would be your favorite commercial/sponsor

i think i'd like ghirardelli and hershey for starters...

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if you had your own tv show what would be your favorite commercial/sponsor

i think i'd like ghirardelli and hershey for starters...

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post #20 of 265
i really dislike the fact that this is still such a big deal...but I guess their controversy in everything icon_rolleyes.gif
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post #21 of 265
I mean I love making my own cake stands. Nobody cares really. Hey are those store bought or did you make 'em? Hey is that icing from scratch? Did you use merigue powder or egg whites--who cares (I'm not talking about allergies) Did you cook the icing or just open a bag.

But get into that other thing and hooo boy.

So no, to me there's not controversy in everything but there dang sure is cake mix versus scratch. Big time.

if you had your own tv show what would be your favorite commercial/sponsor

i think i'd like ghirardelli and hershey for starters...

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i think i'd like ghirardelli and hershey for starters...

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post #22 of 265
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Originally Posted by K8memphis-

The resaon people do not like to answer that question and why this comes up so often is because there is a stigma on cake making methods. It may come as a surprise to some of us but if we use mixes we're not considered as brilliant as others of us who bake from scratch. Go figure.

I can bake a cake from scratch using the same ingredients found in a cake mix including the emulsifiers and conditioners. So I think the lines between scratch and mix are not only blurred but silly.

Whenever I've been asked that question it's been for the purpose of soothing someone's prejudice for one method over the other. I am a seller of decorated cake so I don't want to divide my market so I don't believe untempered honestly is the best policy myself.

Unbridled honesty can be a painful thing.
'Do these jeans make me look fat?'

I say I use both mixes and and scratch depending. And beyond that I unashamedly play the 'trade secret' card. But of course will provide the list of ingredients.

If someone asks me scratch or mix my 100% honest answer would be, "That's an ignorant question." And then they might not order from me huh.

when I say trade secret I didn't mean lie, I meant that the lady saying like a box mix then she dislikes box mixes and yes say doctored box mix and trade secret just sounds classy to me. I was just trying to help but I am being made to sound like a lier. I don't lie but if someone wants to think that then thats their problem, I don't live my life to please them. a lot of people sell their trade secrets, making dvd's and sell them and I am one of those people that buy them. Coke and other soft drinks have trade secrets and we buy that and they won't tell us the trade secret. I am only saying this to you kate because I have so much respect for you. Thanks for understanding
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post #23 of 265
I so agree with you TatorChiplette. 100% honesty is not good salesmanship nuh ugh no way. Of course you didn't, Tator.

I have been playing the trade secret card for a long time. If you've ever gotten into it with one of these ignorant people, potential customers, about scratch and mix--screw it--I have no patience for them.

It's not in any way being dishonest to protect yourself and your business.

Honesty should always be tempered with grace.

Indy tempers hers with humor and spin, good spin--very effective.

if you had your own tv show what would be your favorite commercial/sponsor

i think i'd like ghirardelli and hershey for starters...

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if you had your own tv show what would be your favorite commercial/sponsor

i think i'd like ghirardelli and hershey for starters...

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post #24 of 265
I would be very disappointed if I were told something about "trade secrets" and was given box-cake. No, I don't like it (and thus I don't buy cakes or bread, but bake everything myself).

So please, at least indicate something about pre-measured ingredients or what you prefer to call it.
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post #25 of 265
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Originally Posted by Gefion

I would be very disappointed if I were told something about "trade secrets" and was given box-cake. No, I don't like it (and thus I don't buy cakes or bread, but bake everything myself).

So please, at least indicate something about pre-measured ingredients or what you prefer to call it.



So if I measure all the ingredients out including the special emulsifier that is found in the cake mix box but I measure that single ingredient and all the ingredients out my self personally and essentially make a cake mix cake but I measure and combine everything--we call that scratch cake yes?

Would you be ok or disappointed?

Pure vanilla is now a mix--it's vanilla extratives, water, corn syrup and alcohol and that's a mix.

So if we are being honest we need to tell people that we use a "vanilla mix" not to mention the 'flour mix'. Flour's got vitamins and often contains malted barley.

See what I mean, to me it's a dumb looser question (from a client--not a dumb question in these forums) it leads to no where --ain't nobody's business beyond the ingredient list.

if you had your own tv show what would be your favorite commercial/sponsor

i think i'd like ghirardelli and hershey for starters...

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if you had your own tv show what would be your favorite commercial/sponsor

i think i'd like ghirardelli and hershey for starters...

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post #26 of 265
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gefion

I would be very disappointed if I were told something about "trade secrets" and was given box-cake. No, I don't like it (and thus I don't buy cakes or bread, but bake everything myself).

So please, at least indicate something about pre-measured ingredients or what you prefer to call it.

I thank you for the advice, sounds like that would be a good way to go with it, I don't sell cakes, I do it as a hobby and my friends and I compete with each other over our cakes on taste, so we don't tell each other our secrets and that is where my mine was headed, I should have not commented at all due to not selling cakes but I didn't realize it at the time, but the ones calling me a lier and the little game of trying to make me look like one are being unkind, your way of letting me know is very kind and I thank you for it.
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post #27 of 265
You know what's funny? I use the WASC recipe. That's about two-thirds mix. But it doesn't taste like a cake mix. Nobody's ever asked me if it was a mix...I've had some people assume it was a scratch cake and I haven't said anything. I guess it's not such a big deal for me because I don't sell cakes, I only bake for people I like and who deserve it icon_biggrin.gif I have told people where to find the recipe when they asked...didn't tell them that I'm not exactly using just the recipe anymore.

I like to make things from scratch. I bake my own bread when I am not feeling lazy...but cake mix and tortilla mix are the two things I'll buy the mix for because they taste better than what I can do at home.
post #28 of 265
My chocolate cake is to die for and it uses a cake mix and then I add butter, sour cream, about $1's worth of dutch processed cocoa and baby chocolate chips.....and a few very secret ingredients icon_wink.gif but I guess that is just a plain ole box mix so I shouldn't be proud of it?

My friend PROUDLY serves her totally from scratch cake and we all gag it down with plenty of milk or coffee. Scratch bakers will then say 'She wasn't making it right'. Well I finally found a completely scratch brownie recipe that tastes better then box so I believe there is a stunner out there. And I know how to bake......

I have tried every recipe from Colette Peters, Cake Bible, highest rated, totally made up by me - everything. Not one tastes as good, let alone better than the Dr'd recipe I use.

If I add a package of pudding to a recipe, is it no longer scratch? I just think there are 3 groups: box mix, doctored and scratch. It is NOT a simple yes or no question, IMHO, of course.
post #29 of 265
Here's a thought...
How many people only "bake from scratch" and then use commercial fondant?
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post #30 of 265
I really love baking from scratch, when we were kids it was always how my Mom did it, and now I do too. I certainly don't care if others use mixes as a base, I know a girl who does quite well using mixes that are not doctored!

I am always honest, I tell people all my cakes and icings are made from scratch except for fondant/gumpaste figures and flowers (which are made from commercial fondant).
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