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pudding like filling that doesn't require refrigeration

post #1 of 14
9/1/09 at 5:41pm
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My daughter is making a cake for next weekend and it will be 3 tiered. It will have a pudding-type filling. I assume that will need to be refrigerated. DO you know of any good fillings that do not need refrigeration. My fridge is not that big. I might have to empty it to put a cake in. Thanks
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post #2 of 14
9/1/09 at 6:09pm
Yes, pudding requires refrigeration.

You can substitute a shelf stable sleeved pastry filling (Bavarian cream) to save yourself cleaning out the fridge. icon_smile.gif

Everything you need to know to make, decorate and assemble stacked/tiered/layer cakes:

http://www.cakecentral.com/cake-decorating-ftopict-605188.html

The above superthread has popular CC recipes for crusting American buttercreams, several types of fondant and doctored cake mix (WASC and other flavor variations) and so much more.

One of the extras is info on the sleeved pastry fillings including a useage chart.

HTH
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post #3 of 14
9/1/09 at 6:31pm
do the cakes need to go in the frig after they are filled and iced? I know this is a dumb question but I have never used these before.
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post #4 of 14
9/1/09 at 8:08pm
If you want a low budget, easy to find suggestion - Snack Pack pudding cups are shelf stable and don't need to be refrigerated. Not the Jello cups which are in the refrigerator section of the store, but the Snack Pack cups. You can get 4 cups for about a dollar, and 1 cup fills an 8 inch round layer quite nicely. I used these about 3 weeks ago, cake sat out over 2 nights (torted, filled and frosted Tues night; decorated Wed night; served Thurs AM) and it was fine.
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post #5 of 14
9/1/09 at 8:18pm
From what I understand, the snack pack puddings require refrigeration AFTER they are opened. If I am incorrect, someone please reply.
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post #6 of 14
9/1/09 at 8:29pm
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Originally Posted by crisseyann

From what I understand, the snack pack puddings require refrigeration AFTER they are opened. If I am incorrect, someone please reply.



I'm sure you are right. There is no way it is ok to leave them out, is there? Does anybody have one they can read the ingredient list, etc. on the package to check. That can't be safe.
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post #7 of 14
9/1/09 at 8:30pm
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Originally Posted by crisseyann

From what I understand, the snack pack puddings require refrigeration AFTER they are opened. If I am incorrect, someone please reply.



Yep, they're shelf stable as long as they're NOT opened!

The pudding cups are aseptically packaged so they don't require refrigeration

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Upon breaking the seal, any portion not consumed requires refrigeration.

(Same is true of aseptically packaged milk cartons.)

HTH
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post #8 of 14
9/2/09 at 7:19am
What can I say? If I'm wrong - I'm wrong, but I left it out 2 days with NO problems - it's sealed behind a buttercream dam, between two cake layers and entire cake sealed in buttercream - can't see with all the preservatives in it that there would be a problem.
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post #9 of 14
9/2/09 at 7:31am
When I first started making cakes I used a recipe that mixed 3 snack pack cups with 1/2 pack of corresponding dry instant pudding mix for a thick pudding-like filling. Got the recipe from Wilton instructor, who never told us it had to be refridgerated, so I never did. Maybe I got lucky, everything was fine and they stayed out for days..

I wonder, if it is ok to leave out cream cheese icing, SMBC, and Bettercreme which start out in the fridge, why is it not ok to leave out snack packs which start out at room temp? Do they have enough sugar for preservation?
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post #10 of 14
9/2/09 at 10:23am
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Originally Posted by sugarMomma


I wonder, if it is ok to leave out cream cheese icing, SMBC, and Bettercreme which start out in the fridge, why is it not ok to leave out snack packs which start out at room temp? Do they have enough sugar for preservation?



Cream cheese icing can be shelf stable if the recipe contains a sufficient amount of powdered sugar to control the "water activity:

http://cakecentral.com/cake-decorating-ftopict-582086-.html

Rich's Bettercreme is shelf stable for 5 days unrefrigerated. For increased product life, refrigeration is recommended. (Sorry the Rich's Bettercreme handling instructions link I usually provide is no longer working.)

For IMBC and SMBC, there is divided opinion...

IMBC and Egg White Safety:

http://forum.cakecentral.com/cake-decorating-ftopict-137101-.html

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Originally Posted by sugarMomma

When I first started making cakes I used a recipe that mixed 3 snack pack cups with 1/2 pack of corresponding dry instant pudding mix for a thick pudding-like filling.



The addition of extra dry pudding (which is really sugar with stabilizers) could be enough to control the "water activity" in the 3 pudding packs. (Can't say, I'm not a food scientist.)

But I do know that non-dairy doesn't mean shelf stable, as in the case of Cool Whip fillings:
(Also gives handling instructions for Rich's prewhipped Bettercreme.)

http://forum.cakecentral.com/cake-decorating-ftopict-34791-.html

HTH
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post #11 of 14
9/2/09 at 10:13pm
Thanks Jan H, that dilemma had me pretty confused.
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post #12 of 14
9/7/09 at 9:19am
just checked both the Snack Pack packaging at the store, as well as Jello instant pudding mix - neither packaging states that product must be refrigerated after opening or preparing
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post #13 of 14
9/7/09 at 4:27pm
It can't be safe to leave Jello pudding out/unrefrigerated after opening the container or after making either instant or cooked.
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post #14 of 14
9/11/09 at 10:32am
This thread has been nagging at me - I had visions of thousands of cakes with pudding filling being left unrefrigerated, and since I got food poisoning from something similar I called the Jello people (phone number on package - they are actually the Kraft people). Once prepared, instant or cooked pudding or opened packages of pre-made pudding in cup - all require refrigeration. I asked why they don't tell you that on the package and was told, "everyone knows you have to refrigerate pudding". Hopefully, everyone does now.
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