I hope I don't sound too idiotic, but was this a cake that looked like a pie or was it a pie? Do people really pay $40 for a pie? I am very curious.....sorry to be off topic....

LOL, well honey some people have asked me if they can drink from my cup after I drank it, so I'll send some twin vibes your way LOL. I just found out from some long lost relatives that my grandmother miscarried TWICE with sixtuplets, so now I know who to thank for the gene!

Other poster.....I completely understand your point, and thank you. However this whole time I have been being patient, and reminding her gently, etc, now for the past 2 weeks. However i COMPLETELY agree with you, that I should have stuck to policy and made her pay for it first, business is business, and she has now taught me that. I think though that a lot of my anger towards her is not SOLEY related to the $40, but the $40 + the nerve she has to copy everything on my menu and even ask if she can borrow my tools.
The lack of respect bothers me more than the $40, and as long as she keeps stealing my menu ideas, and going as far to order the same products I am ordering from the same website I order them from, right down to the exact same style sprinkles, I dont see this "chat" or "coffee" relationship continuing cos it's just getting to me. I strive so hard to be unique and just find it insulting someone claimign to be my friend who lives down the street from me is coyping my business. So a lot of my feelings are stemming from that also, not just the $40.
mad, lol, the $40 was for a surprise delivery gift basket that included an apple pie. The $40 covers the cost of the actual pie, the basket, packaging, my hand made bows that I make from silk ribbons and custom card with pictures of her children on it it also covers delivery and making a big deal about it to the recepient.
Well an update, she was online lastnight, and I , again, for the 6th time, reminded her. Again she says ohhh she forgot, and if I dont remind her she will forget, and to remind her in the morning. I told her that I would not remind her again in the morning, that she should remember as i find it akward to having to keep bringing it up. She insisted again I remind her in the morning via text message. I told her I'm sure if she cares enough she'll remember on her own at least write it down where she places her orders.
Well, again, same thing. She hasnt sent the money nor brought it up. She did sms me to come online though for some more "chat" (usually her asking me where I get this and that and how I make this or that) and I sms'ed back that I was busy. She then sms'ed me if I had some certian shaped cookie cutters she could borrow. I said no. I will leave her an sms or voice mail tomorrow (dont have her house number).
I have her blocked now in msn, and maybe in a weeks time if she doesnt take the hint will take her off my FB as well so she has no access to my work. I cant change my website address though as that would just harm me. Hopefully after a while of not hearing from me she will ask me what's wrong, and I will definately tell her. I will also THANK her for being the one who taught me that business is business.

Girl if she lives "right down the street from you" - I say march yourself down there this morning, and "remind her" face to face! This way you've reminded her (as she asked) and she should give you your money, since you're right there...case closed (hopefully...

I think you have been " more " than patient with this person! True, she might have forgotten while on her trip, but once she got back...and you sent that first notice, she should have paid you ... " on the spot"!!

Ask yourself this, If she wanted a friendship with you, would she be the one to want to ruin a new friendship over a few dollars?? You don't need people like this as friends.

Hope you get your money!!

I WISH !!!
I just know the general area of where she lives not her exact address cos im a shmuck you see.

lol.
Sorry, trying to tell the story without getting too complicated.
Im living in saudi arabia, women are not allowed to drive.
So for the delivery service I have hired delivery men to do all that for me.
When I asked her for directions,(there are no addresses here either, you just have to draw a map to your house and use landmarks to get around) she told me that the delivery man need not go to her house as it would be complicated, that she would have her brother meet my delivery man in the local pharmacy to take it to her husband and ok it just hit me as I am typing this out that this kinda seemed a little premeditated?!?!?!?!?!? OMG IT REALLY SEEMS PREMEDITATED.
I am such a schmuck. schmuck. schmuck. schmuck.

I dont know, premeditated yet she's still "chatting" with me and asking me to borrow my tools?
Anyway, she is on block now.

Hmmmm.........

"Yes, you can borrow my cutter---------for $40" Send your driver with the $ to the pharmacy, I'll send mine with the cutter."

SMS from her an hour later: My driver says that he didn't get the cutter...

SMS from you: Oops, you must have forgotten to remind me to send it with MY driver.........Sorry. Remind me tomorrow so that I can forget again!

Rae

I'm sorry to say this, but you should forget about ever getting the money.

I would block her from all your accounts and stop taking any phone calls. If it is a number you don't recognize, let it go to voicemail. You can always return someone else's call.

Strange story.......

LOL@ blakes.
punkie lol. Strange part of the world.

Woman CAN'T drive in Saudi Arabia?! Wow, I thought that part of the world was loosening up a bit when it came to woman's rights.

I just had a really funny thought.......Can you guys picture Indydebi living in Saudi Arabia? Oh, I'd love to be a fly on those jeweled walls of that palace when she gave those men a piece of her mind When she got finished with 'em woman would definitely be allowed to drive.

Ok yall. well FINALLY.
Today she sms'ed me saying that her driver was on the way to my house with the money. I just said oh ok, thanks. I think she was expecting more thank you or something. So when the driver got here I let him wait a good 15 minutes outside (even though it aint his fault lol).
So finally a month after the order I got my payment. And that other poster is so right about rich people being the worst. Theres is actually a SAYING/proverb on this side of the world in arabic about that. Something like "rich people are the worst in paying their staff, they will make you wait for ever".
Anyway, thanks you guys for all the posts, FINALLY this drama is over. But I am never dealing with this person again!!

Woohoo! It's about time huh? Like you, I would definitely Stay far away from this lady. I hate it when people make you have to ask for your money.

Saudi women face severe discrimination in many aspects of their lives, including education, employment, and the justice system and are clearly regarded as inferior to men. Although they make up 70% of those enrolled in universities, women make up just 5% of the workforce in Saudi Arabia,[7] the lowest proportion in the world.

The treatment of women has been referred to as "gender apartheid."[8][9][10] Implementation of a government resolution supporting expanded employment opportunities for women met resistance from within the labor ministry,[11] from the religious police,[12] and from the male citizenry.[13]

These institutions and individuals generally claim that according to Sharia a woman's place is in the home caring for her husband and family. It is a country where culture and religion make women live mostly restricted segregated lives. There is also segregation inside their own homes as some rooms have separate entrances for men and women. [14]

In the legal system, women face discrimination. An example of this is the requirements for testifying in criminal proceedings; The witness must be deemed sane, the age of an adult, and a Muslim. Non-Muslims may not testify in criminal court. Women may not testify unless it is a personal matter that did not occur in the sight of men. The testimony of a woman is not regarded as fact but as presumption. The reasons women are forbidden to testify in proceedings are (quote):[15][16]

1.Women are much more emotional than men and will, as a result of their emotions, distort their testimony.
2.Women do not participate in public life, so they will not be capable of understanding what they observe.
3.Women are dominated completely by men, who by the grace of God are deemed superior; therefore, women will give testimony according to what the last man told them.
4.Women are forgetful, and their testimony cannot be considered reliable.
As a result of these laws women are vulnerable in cases of assault and/or rape, as their testimony is treated as a presumption, while that of their attackers is accepted as fact. In some cases, victims of sexual assault are punished on the grounds that they should not be alone with unrelated males. It happened recently when a woman, victim of a gang rape, was sentenced by a Saudi court to six months in prison and 200 lashes for violating laws on segregation of the sexes, as she was in an unrelated man's car at the time of the attack.[17]

This case attracted the attention of the UN which expressed its concerns regarding the social attitudes and the system of male guardianship which deter women from reporting crimes and lead to a patriarchal system. Women are therefore prevented from escaping abusive environments because of their lack of autonomy and economic independence, practices surrounding divorce and child custody, the absence of a law criminalizing violence against women, and inconsistencies in the application of laws and procedures.[18]

Women are not allowed to drive or ride bicycles on public roads in large cities. However, some do so on rural roads illegally.[citation needed] Women are allowed to fly aircraft, though they must be chauffeured to the airport.[19]

Women's rights are at the heart of calls for reform in Saudi Arabia - calls that are challenging the kingdom's political status quo[14] and the pressure from Western governments and from institutions such as the UN helps speed up the process. Local and international women's groups are also pushing governments to respond, taking advantage of the fact that some rulers are eager to project a more progressive image to the West.

The presence of powerful businesswomenstill a rare breedin some of these groups helps get them heard.[17] Prior to 2008, women were not allowed to enter hotels and furnished apartments without a chaperon or mahram. With a 2008 Royal Decree, however, the only requirement needed to allow women to enter hotels are their national ID cards, and the hotel must inform the nearest police station of their room reservation and length of stay, however this happens with everybody staying in the hotel not just women.[20]

Encouraged by the recent advances in women's rights, advocates for the right of women to drive in Saudi Arabia have collected more than 3,000 signatures hoping that the driving ban will also be lifted this year (200 by King Abdullah. But the chances for this to happen are still small in Saudi Arabia's deeply religious and patriarchal society, where many believe that allowing women the right to drive could lead to Western-style openness and an erosion of traditional values.[21]

According to the CIA world factbook, 70.8% of females are literate, in comparison to 84.7% literacy rates in males.[22]

Saudi Arabia is one of the few countries in the 2008 Olympics without a female delegation - women's sports are, in principle, banned; although some teams do exist.[23]

All I can say is WOW to that last post...so very glad I was born in America!

All I can say is WOW to that last post...so very glad I was born in America!

Very interesting Mensch... thanx for posting that.

To the OP.... glad you finally got your money back.

Whenever we travel outside of the USA, my first thought when the plane touches back down on US soil is always "God Bless America".

You never realize just how fortunate you are until you visit some of these other countries.

We may think times are tough here, and they are, but even taking all of those things into consideration, we are all still very fortunate to be Americans.

Living here has made me appriciate america so much more. We take SO MANY things for granted.

You're right we do take even the simplest things....like driving for instance, for granted.

How long have you lived there? Will you be coming home to the US soon?

Ok did I miss something? What the heck does this thing about Saudi women have to do with her getting paid finally? I know I must have missed something whoa

Mensch: what's your point?

yeah kinda off topic. maybe the poster was trying to verify that women in fact do not drive like I had said....