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post #31 of 161
7/18/09 at 9:01am
$40.00 for a 9" undecorated cake--now you all know where to direct your customers who think $3/seving is too much. icon_lol.gif
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post #32 of 161
7/18/09 at 9:03am
I work for a HD in Michigan and know that "bake sales" are exempt from licensing. Also, you can get a temporary food license for a period of two weeks. She says 100 cakes in 10 days, so maybe she is covered. Hopefully for her sake it is because getting licensed is very expensive. Her website says "bake sale" but I'm thinking what she has going on is beyond the definition of a bake sale. JMO
post #33 of 161
7/18/09 at 9:19am
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Originally Posted by dkelly

Some may say desperate times call for desperate measures however, it's still breaking the law......What will she sell to make next month's payment?

I've said it before ....

If you're going to justify an illegal activity, then you might as well just grow pot in your garage and sell it. Less work and more profit (uh, from what I hear!) icon_rolleyes.gif
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post #34 of 161
7/18/09 at 9:33am
I will pay $40.00 for the recipe.
post #35 of 161
7/18/09 at 9:47am
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Originally Posted by indydebi

Quote:
Originally Posted by dkelly

Some may say desperate times call for desperate measures however, it's still breaking the law......What will she sell to make next month's payment?

I've said it before ....

If you're going to justify an illegal activity, then you might as well just grow pot in your garage and sell it. Less work and more profit (uh, from what I hear!) icon_rolleyes.gif



icon_lol.gificon_cool.gificon_lol.gif You're right, and you don't even have to put the oven on!

BUT......

There IS always the risk of burning your house down....what with all those hot lights needed to grow the pot............Seriously, a man in Rhode Island did just that this week, he was growing marijuana for "medicinal" purposes, I kid you not, it made the 6 0:clock news! icon_rolleyes.gif
post #36 of 161
7/18/09 at 9:47am
It's not really about Karma IMO. She has been "promoted" on mass media. The way I see it the HD is between a rock and a hard place. They may sympathize with her situation but they cannot just let it ride. People will blast them for shutting her down but they don't have an option here. They have to enforce the requirements across the board.

It could be said that we all are fighting foreclosure. Isn't that why we work?

Don't get me wrong, I feel for her and her family. I also don't think the discussion here is bashing her or any poster deserves to be frowned upon. I sincerely hope she finds a way to sell her cakes without getting into trouble. As I said before, I hope they don't fine her. She will just have another mess on her hands to deal with and lose any money made from the cakes.
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post #37 of 161
7/18/09 at 9:54am
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Originally Posted by Lenette

It's not really about Karma IMO.
It could be said that we all are fighting foreclosure. Isn't that why we work?




EXACTLY!! thumbs_up.gifthumbs_up.gif


Heck, all of us legal home bakers would be making a LOT more money if we didn't have to pay all those "pesky" "legal" things like.......taxes, insurance, licensing etc., etc., etc., etc...........................


I really hate the karma argument.......if EVERYONE worried about "karma" this country would have a 2 TRILLION $$$$$$$ deficit instead of just the horrific 1 TRILLION $$$$$ one our great grandkids will be paying for icon_rolleyes.gif

Keep it legal then you don't have to worry about "karma" icon_wink.gif
post #38 of 161
7/18/09 at 10:08am
Karma? What about the woman's karma? Does breaking the law not beget "bad karma"? We all can feel for her, but none of us have turned her in. The ones who should be questioning their karma is the news media for outting her to the HD.

I think the OP was wondering how she did it so that maybe the loop hole could work for others too. So in all actuality, the karma would be good for her no?
post #39 of 161
7/18/09 at 10:38am
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Originally Posted by TCarra

maryjsgirl, just to clarify, my comments were purely out of concern for the lady that's baking from her home. Years ago you could bake from your home if the kitchen and your home met all state regulations. I was hoping that would be the case for her; but PinkZiab has kindly provided information to the otherwise.

Oh, and I believe in karma, too. But I really don't feel that anyone here meant any ill will towards this lady and what she's doing. I just thought the OP was posting a simple question on the legality of a home kitchen in NJ in light of what she was setting out to do. Also, I personally used to know someone in NJ who got busted for illegally baking from her home, and the penalties were not worth it. So of course putting something like this on the news is going to set up red flags somewhere, and possibly result in a discussion here.

And who knows? Maybe all of this is a blessing in disguise. Maybe someone has already alerted her about it, so she WON'T move forward with this endeavor and get into any trouble. I do, however, sincerely hope that she can come up with the funds to save her home. I feel bad for her and her children.




I didn't mean any comments here on this forum. I was talking of those that are posting over on the site that was linked here with the article. There was no reason for it. If people were concerned they could have just emailed the woman.
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post #40 of 161
7/18/09 at 11:02am
So breaking the law gives one bad karma?

So I guess those minorities that drank from the "whites only" fountain illegally were horrible people with bad karma eh?

Or how about the thousands of dumb laws on the books that are unknowingly being broken daily? Oral sex for example is illegal in many states...I am sure there are many breaking that law.... And I really hope none of the women here from Michigan have ever received a haircut without getting her husband's permission first...heathens.

Or the fact that incest and beating ones wife is totally legal in some states.

Yes, laws made by flawed men are some sort of moral code to live by and breaking them makes one a bad person, lmao.
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post #41 of 161
7/18/09 at 11:07am
I don't know this woman. I don't know all the details of her story. But I like the fact that she is fighting to keep her home. A piece of paper saying she is legal will not make the cake taste better (and shame on the poster who said "it doesn't even look that good"). Yes, the law is there for a reason, but really, it's not like this woman is competition for "real" bakers. I hope it all works out for her.
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post #42 of 161
7/18/09 at 11:11am
There is a big difference in laws which are OBVIOUSLY outdated and not enforced, and modern health department laws which are there for a REASON.... to protect the consumer. It's a bit illogical to compare the two.
post #43 of 161
7/18/09 at 11:21am
I hope you (the generic you) are teaching your children how to work within our system to change any laws that they think are bad .... and not teaching them that just because they believe a law is bad that it's ok to break it.
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post #44 of 161
7/18/09 at 11:23am
I don't think it would be illegal unless she does it long term...I mean churches all over the place have bake sales and stuff. Isn't that the same principle? The people who sell cookies and brownies at a fund raiser don't have to be licensed. Maybe they see her as "fund raising" for a month.

I am sure the Dept of Ag/Health will keep an eye on her in the future but I doubt right now.

I prefer to kinda mind my own business when it comes to that stuff. Let her be. Its my job to make sure I'm right, not everybody else. There are government workers paid to do that.
post #45 of 161
7/18/09 at 11:29am
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Originally Posted by indydebi

I hope you (the generic you) are teaching your children how to work within our system to change any laws that they think are bad .... and not teaching them that just because they believe a law is bad that it's ok to break it.



Yup I agree Debi, the world is full of people just like this that break these "bad" or "silly" laws and that's exactly how they justify it, "oh those silly outdated laws made by silly men".......maddening, and scary! icon_mad.gif
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