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post #16 of 36
So sorry. That's like being stabbed in the back, and it is probably one of those "duh" moments in terms of releasing the sketch without a commitment, but I'm willing to be the thought never crossed your mind. Chalk it up to a life lesson. (I hate those!)
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post #17 of 36
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Originally Posted by indydebi

I dont' sketch, so I don't have the problem. But my question to you all: If you give the sketch to the bride, what is in your file and/or what do you use when you're making the cake? Or do you all have copy machines? icon_confused.gif

Debi-
When I've given a sketch to a customer it was really for the florist. Back in the 'flowers between every tier' days. I would do a line drawing showing the space between the tiers. I do have a copier, but print them out on the printer using the scanner.

I don't offer sketches to clients, but I do sketch for my own use. Mostly so I can keep all the designs straight. Now, since I rarely follow a sketch to the 'T' it would hardly do the bride much good anyway. It just keeps me on track when it's midnight on Friday and I need (and don't have) a Red Bull!!
post #18 of 36
It is true how would any of us know who drew those sketches, but I so do understand how you feel, I did a sketch of a cake for a bride quoted like 3 diff. quotes because she wanted sheet cakes and many other things, I bent over backwards for her. I did like two free taste testing, even gave them a cake to take back to the families to try. (I know dumb) They were alwasy Johnny on the stop for FREE items,would even call ahead to make sure I had them done. The groom even tried getting me to throw in the grooms cake for FREE... Long story short I did give them my drawings, and havent heard from them since. I learned a good lesson. 1 Free taste testing, no drawings leave my hands anymore. you ask for more taste testing you have to pay
I am still kicking myself for this one. I wish they would call and say I have the job only to tell them SORRY I am busy. It just really hurts because you are more than willing to go an extra mile only for them to take five miles. Like I said lesson learned..
post #19 of 36
I used to sell cars for a living, and people always wanted the price and car info in writing so they could think it over. I used to do it, then my boss told me the only reason they wanted that was to take it to another dealer and get them to beat it. Same principle.

Bottom line, never release anything in writing until you have a nonrefundable deposit in hand!
post #20 of 36
I just have to put my two cents in here.
I have been in this business for over 20 years,
I have owned my own cake business for 2 years.
I have heard this argument over and over again.
My take is (and this is how I do it):
- The sketch is part of the consultation/tasting/quote
- At the end of our consultation we give them the sketch and quote. There is no pressure. Our closing line is always "If you decide to use us, we require a 50% deposit to hold your date". If they are really interested we will hear back within a week.
If they take it to someone else, fine - It is up to the other decorator to duplicate it.
If they choose another baker it is because of one of two things, price or taste of cake.
If they want someone cheaper - fine, I'm not cheaper!
If they like another baker's cake better - fine, my cake is what it is!
My point is that I have already spent the time making the sketch (which is included in the consultation). Its water under the bridge - I have moved on to the next bride.
I don't think you have anything to GAIN by KEEPING your sketches and you are not LOOSING anything buy giving them up as you have ALREADY done the work.
post #21 of 36
I definitely wouldn't be mad at the other baker, how are they supposed to know where it came from?

Unless you specifically told the bride that you don't allow your sketches to be used by another baker, how is she to know?

It's really not the bride or baker's fault. Don't allow your sketches out the door if you feel this strongly about them being used by someone else.

I'd challenge any of you guys to try to make a cake based off of my "stick figure" sketches............they suck icon_biggrin.gificon_lol.gif
post #22 of 36
there are alot of good points. Its really up to the person and they choose to handle it. But we all learn from our mistakes and move forward. I have bent over backwards for a client and when I give them the price I don't hear them anymore. I always say if Sams Club can do good luck to you.
post #23 of 36
I actually do understand both sides of this argument. However, i would feel upset about someone having my sketch created by another baker. I was thinking, you can get a personalized stamp made at sites like vistaprint for just a few dollars if not for free. You can stamp your sketch (somewhere it cant be "snipped" off) before handing it over. That way, any decent baker would not duplicate without permission. Just a thought!
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post #24 of 36
"any decent baker would not duplicate without permission"

oK, so you've never copied a cake? Or borrowed a design for inspiration?? I think everyone here has taken inspiration from someone at sometime.

I'm quite sure, after looking through your photos, that I've seen several of those design elements before... It's what we do... I personally am on a mission to copy a Martha Stewart Cake this weekend.. Just for fun..
I think that the fault lies in giving the sketch to the bride, not in the baker copying the design...

jmo
post #25 of 36
I actually have paper for sketches that has a header and footer on it with my information. I guess I have not had this problem yet, suppose it could happen quite easily though.

Sorry to hear even so.
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post #26 of 36
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Originally Posted by wbs1969


My take is (and this is how I do it):
- The sketch is part of the consultation/tasting/quote
- At the end of our consultation we give them the sketch and quote. There is no pressure. Our closing line is always "If you decide to use us, we require a 50% deposit to hold your date". If they are really interested we will hear back within a week.
If they take it to someone else, fine - It is up to the other decorator to duplicate it.
If they choose another baker it is because of one of two things, price or taste of cake.
If they want someone cheaper - fine, I'm not cheaper!
If they like another baker's cake better - fine, my cake is what it is!
My point is that I have already spent the time making the sketch (which is included in the consultation). Its water under the bridge - I have moved on to the next bride.
I don't think you have anything to GAIN by KEEPING your sketches and you are not LOOSING anything buy giving them up as you have ALREADY done the work.



yeap I agree please at the cake tasting if you didn't like my cake please don't buy it!

If you go to someone who charges less than $2 a serving to replica my sketch
"good luck to ya"

I haven't had a bride who walks away with my sketches they haven't asked for it!

For the future I am going to keep this in mind is if they want to take the sketch with them then I would charge like $25 for it. They can have the sketch for free when they place their deposit and sign the contract about that!
post #27 of 36
I have to agree with muddpuppy, --if the first person to do the pillow with a tiara cake had copywrited it and I couldnt do it-- I'd be screwed. LOL

but I also understand the OP's situation.

of course, even stamping it, heck, I trace out of color books all the time - take the elements I want, leave the ones I dont. my point is, with decent back lighting you can trace off a sketch, then take 'your' drawing to another baker. Unscrupilous people will do unscrupilous things... its the way of life...
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post #28 of 36
Lesson learned for me. Keep the drawings.
post #29 of 36
Wow! Yet another thing I have learned from all of you! icon_biggrin.gif
No money-no sketch!!
post #30 of 36
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Originally Posted by Criola

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Originally Posted by yamber82

omg! what a byotch!



Couldn't have said it better myself! lmao


AMEN. But I agree with the others. What's to keep them from describing your sketch or something like that! I just wouldn't release it which is what someone else said, deposit/contract or not!
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