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post #31 of 126
For those of you who are interested, here is the text from the blog. It's a bit lengthy, so prepare yourselves:
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http://www.bronwenweber.blogspot.com/
post #32 of 126
Sorry in advance for the rant. tapedshut.gif

I hate to say this and possibly anger folks in my first post, but I get where Bronwen is coming from. As much as I WISH I could legally bake from home, because I know I'd be sanitary and I know I could get great business, I know there are other people out there who just wouldn't be. I am upset by how I feel it hinders me, personally, but understand that it's a greater good kind of thing and don't feel I could argue adequately for it in face of some of the outright ridiculous things people do in their home kitchens. Does it make me want to yell "This is why we can't have nice things!" at those people? Some days, you betcha.

I also happen to live in a state where the only legal option short of building your own kitchen is renting out a commercial kitchen from an "incubator kitchen" service. We have all of 2 businesses of that persuasion in my area, and I think one of them is closed. Kitchen sharing, illegal. I am relatively certain home add-ons are iffy as well, not that they're an option for me. It's made me want to rip my hair out.

The argument of bringing down prices overall is somewhat valid, but doesn't worry me quite as much. I have, frankly, never met a decorator who let those laws stop them from doing cakes out of their house. I've been very careful and always limited it to friends and family, and in a situation where it technically qualified as personal gifting. I have been more careful than most, I'd say. In fact, in my experience the knowledge their cake businesses aren't legal is part of what makes home bakers price their cakes far lower than others. I think, in a weird way, being a legal and acknowledged business would make home decorators charge MORE, and not necessarily make that much more cake than when it wasn't legal.

Bronwen is a wonderful lady, and I've seen some pretty harsh low blows in this whole argument that made me hurt for her. I truly don't think her intent was ever to cut off someone's path to success.
post #33 of 126
Just my opinion:

I love baking cakes!! And even though I would love to see the bill passed, I guess with all the oposition, I still will be baking cakes. No one can tell me what I can and can't do. We simply wanted it to be legal. Now I now that some of you may say "we aren't saying not to do it," but let me just say that by saying you aren't in support, if you don't support the bill. With that said, let me also ask you think about the time you order things during the holidays like "tamales, or pan de polvo" These are just examples, and like someone else said. Think about child care. Are you taking your children to a licensed day care to some lady who takes care of kids. Are they using the proper sanitation procedures as outlined in the Licensing standards for day cares as specified by your state. Texas has a four step sanitizing procedure. But if you do take your children to a licensed day care, ask your child's caregiver how they santize. In Texas, they should say its four steps. Any less, and its unsanitary. Again, this is just an example comparing the two businesses. Yes, one is food, and one is about children. But, how important is one to the other when it comes to sanitary conditions.

Sorry for the rant!!!
Wouldn't it be a better world if we all smelled like cake batter!!!
Wouldn't it be a better world if we all smelled like cake batter!!!
post #34 of 126
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Originally Posted by Wendl



Guns that take lives, maim, causing others to be violent in retaliation




This is a perfect example:

It is not the gun that kills, it is the person who is using it.

Just like when someone gets sick from cake, it is the bakers fault.
So give us our inspections and classes and let us sell cake!!!

The majority of people who own guns do not go crazy and kill someone.

The majority of home bakers take time to clean and make their items safe to eat.
post #35 of 126
If public safety were a true concern, not one state would have cottage food laws (or the number of complaints about home bakers in these states would be insane!), and bake sales, chili cook offs, pot luck dinners, etc. would be completely outlawed.

The public health concern is a ruse. It really aggravates me when people hide behind a smokescreen of bs, when the truth is so blatant.

Just say it. You don't want it to be "easier" for anyone else than it was for you.

Is that selfish? Yes. Immature? Yes. But if you own it instead of being passive aggressive about your stance, at least people will respect you for being honest.
I has a sad. I can has cake?
I has a sad. I can has cake?
post #36 of 126
Quote:
Originally Posted by Justbeck101

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wendl



Guns that take lives, maim, causing others to be violent in retaliation




This is a perfect example:

It is not the gun that kills, it is the person who is using it.

Just like when someone gets sick from cake, it is the bakers fault.
So give us our inspections and classes and let us sell cake!!!

The majority of people who own guns do not go crazy and kill someone.

The majority of home bakers take time to clean and make their items safe to eat.



My thinking exactly! We're welcoming the rules and regulations that would come along with being able to become legal. True, not every baker/decorator will adhere to the laws/rules applying to sanitary conditions---to that I say, tell me one law that has NEVER been broken. While the majority of people do follow laws, there are always some that don't.

To use the excuse that "not everyone will follow it which COULD lead to health hazards" to not support and/or pass the bill is crazy. Well, why regulate anything then?? No law works 100% percent of the time and is followed by 100% of the population.

In just the restaurant industry, how many appear on the news each night with poor scores! They paid for the space, the permits, the staff, the equipment, etc...and yet, they still slack off and have some pretty disgusting issues get reported.

I would think most decorators selling cakes from home view their cakes as an extension of themselves and their reputation. This alone would cause most to care about the environment in which they create their cakes.

Sorry for my rant, this just really irks me.
post #37 of 126
Okay, so this is my opinion...they are like butts, we all have them and they all stink! icon_smile.gif

I didn't get that she was against home bakers in general. From what I understood of it, she was against some of the laws that might be a little lax in the bill? I am in Utah, and we do have a cottage food law here. And I am legally able to bake cakes from my home after going through the process. It wasn't a quick process. It involved me doing many things, like getting a food safety card so I KNOW how things will be affected by being left out and I know the rules about having a drinking cup in my kitchen and the proper way to sanitize my surfaces and utensils. I then had to submit all my recipes to the Dept of Ag so they could go over them one by one to make sure they were shelf stable. For ANYTHING that I want to offer, I have to go through that process if I haven't already. If something was questionable about being food safe, I had to pay (fortunately all my stuff was) for it to be grown in a lab to make sure that it was shelf stable. They came to my house to inspect it, they looked for free roaming animals, made sure my items were stored separately from my family and that I had a separate fridge ONLY for cake business stuff. They also made sure of things like the fact that my items weren't directly ont he floor, not stored near chemicals etc. I do open my home to be inspected at the drop of a dime, or at the complaint of a customer. I had to be inspected by the fire chief and additionally by the city for structural soundness and to make sure tha tI had bathrooms for my customers, that my path was safe for them to walk up etc. AND I had to get insurance to cover my cakes, busienss,a nd customers.

I think where Brownen feels they are being let down is where people might not be subject to these same guidelines. It sounds liek the people that went thru the above are fine in her book, but it also sounds like she feels the rules will be too lax for those wanting to bake from home, like no regulation. I can understand her position on that.

Okay, so hopefully I don't get reamed. I gave my opinon disclaimer at the beginning. icon_biggrin.gif

Keyshia
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post #38 of 126
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by keyshia

Okay, so this is my opinion...they are like butts, we all have them and they all stink! icon_smile.gif

I didn't get that she was against home bakers in general. From what I understood of it, she was against some of the laws that might be a little lax in the bill? I am in Utah, and we do have a cottage food law here. And I am legally able to bake cakes from my home after going through the process. It wasn't a quick process. It involved me doing many things, like getting a food safety card so I KNOW how things will be affected by being left out and I know the rules about having a drinking cup in my kitchen and the proper way to sanitize my surfaces and utensils. I then had to submit all my recipes to the Dept of Ag so they could go over them one by one to make sure they were shelf stable. For ANYTHING that I want to offer, I have to go through that process if I haven't already. If something was questionable about being food safe, I had to pay (fortunately all my stuff was) for it to be grown in a lab to make sure that it was shelf stable. They came to my house to inspect it, they looked for free roaming animals, made sure my items were stored separately from my family and that I had a separate fridge ONLY for cake business stuff. They also made sure of things like the fact that my items weren't directly ont he floor, not stored near chemicals etc. I do open my home to be inspected at the drop of a dime, or at the complaint of a customer. I had to be inspected by the fire chief and additionally by the city for structural soundness and to make sure tha tI had bathrooms for my customers, that my path was safe for them to walk up etc. AND I had to get insurance to cover my cakes, busienss,a nd customers.

I think where Brownen feels they are being let down is where people might not be subject to these same guidelines. It sounds liek the people that went thru the above are fine in her book, but it also sounds like she feels the rules will be too lax for those wanting to bake from home, like no regulation. I can understand her position on that.

Okay, so hopefully I don't get reamed. I gave my opinon disclaimer at the beginning. icon_biggrin.gif

Keyshia



Keyshia..I completely agree with you. I would hope the State of Texas will have regulations about pets, etc. I would think they would have to because if they are not set..it will make the majority of us look bad if a select few have horrible living conditions. And it will also limit the ones that are not really serious about becoming legal. Your state's regulation makes you go through what seems like a lot..but will help you and your customers in the long run. I think Bronwen's statements kind of came off as we are trying to open up shop and all we need is to send in our money to become legal and that's it. I think the majority of us that is for the bill would want regulations in place to protect us as the baker and our customers.
post #39 of 126
What frustrates me about the pricing argument and the "craig's list cakes for $10" is that those people are going to sell them legal or not legal. Some of them probably wouldn't even get licensed if this bill passes! They don't care, obviously, about the law! Why should the rest of us be punished because a few people already break the law and would continue to do so whatever the law is? Not passing this bill will punish those of us who have a passion for cakes but aren't able to get legal with the current law, whether it's money, jobs, kids, etc, keeping us from doing cakes full time. There's no way I can do cakes full time, but I'd love to be able to make some money making a couple of cakes a month for my friends. Right now, I just give them away, because I love doing cakes. They give me supplies, I give them a finished product. Or I give it for free, depending on the occasion. It's a "labor of love" right now, but I'd love to make a few bucks off of it in the future.

I do hope there's a stipulation about pets in the bill, like other states. I don't think pets should be allowed indoors if you want to sell cakes from home. Animals do not belong in a kitchen where food is sold.

ETA: I LOVE Bronwen and will continue to root for her in all cake challenges!! Her opinion on this bill does not turn me against her at all. One of the great things about America is that we CAN have different opinions than each other and voice them freely! So Bronwen can speak her mind, and all those in support of the bill can speak ours. Let's just do it louder!!! icon_smile.gif
post #40 of 126
All those specific restrictions mentioned (animals, separate equipment) are things that will be addressed in the RULES.

This bill is not RULES. It is a LAW enabling the Department of Health to regulate us and set RULES to protect the public health.

The bill is not "lax" with the public health concerns. The bill says - hey, we are going to allow Cottage Food Operations, and we're going to let the Department of Health set whatever rules are necessary to protect the public health.

No one I have talked to who is "for" the bill thinks that there shouldn't be RULES. We are literally begging for regulation and rules to prove to the state, the public, and whoever else, that we can produce a safe, clean, quality product in our homes.
post #41 of 126
To tell u I didnt even know you had to be legal until i come here.
icon_eek.gif I was shock. But if people like mine cakes i will sell them and if one day we can get legal then great!
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post #42 of 126
Quote:
Originally Posted by txcupcake

If public safety were a true concern, not one state would have cottage food laws (or the number of complaints about home bakers in these states would be insane!), and bake sales, chili cook offs, pot luck dinners, etc. would be completely outlawed.

The public health concern is a ruse. It really aggravates me when people hide behind a smokescreen of bs, when the truth is so blatant.

Just say it. You don't want it to be "easier" for anyone else than it was for you.

Is that selfish? Yes. Immature? Yes. But if you own it instead of being passive aggressive about your stance, at least people will respect you for being honest.



Couldn't have said it any better myself.
post #43 of 126
Quote:
Originally Posted by Amia

Quote:
Originally Posted by txcupcake

If public safety were a true concern, not one state would have cottage food laws (or the number of complaints about home bakers in these states would be insane!), and bake sales, chili cook offs, pot luck dinners, etc. would be completely outlawed.

The public health concern is a ruse. It really aggravates me when people hide behind a smokescreen of bs, when the truth is so blatant.

Just say it. You don't want it to be "easier" for anyone else than it was for you.

Is that selfish? Yes. Immature? Yes. But if you own it instead of being passive aggressive about your stance, at least people will respect you for being honest.



Couldn't have said it any better myself.



Agree. I believe that is what the majority of the big, legal bakeries and shops believe. Why should it be easier for you than it was for us argument.

But why should we all have to go into debt, sacrifice our finances and families just to make cakes?

Bronwen is entitled to her opinion, but I am also entitled to disagree.

My favorite part Bronwen's thesis was:
Question: "Would you go to a dentist that worked out of his home?"
My Answer: " Would you go to a dentist who didn't go to school?"

You can't have it both ways. Why was it OK for you to not do everything by the book, just because it conforms to your particular beliefs and then say we can't? To say we aren't acting the part of a professional. You can't say we need to go by the rules when you haven't gone to school and been educated "properly." If that is the case, then we should all have degrees to do this.

Just sayin'....
post #44 of 126
Quote:
Originally Posted by summernoelle


My favorite part Bronwen's thesis was:
Question: "Would you go to a dentist that worked out of his home?"
My Answer: " Would you go to a dentist who didn't go to school?"

You can't have it both ways. Why was it OK for you to not do everything by the book, just because it conforms to your particular beliefs and then say we can't? To say we aren't acting the part of a professional. You can't say we need to go by the rules when you haven't gone to school and been educated "properly." If that is the case, then we should all have degrees to do this.

Just sayin'....



Yes! Yes! A THOUSAND TIMES, YES!
I has a sad. I can has cake?
I has a sad. I can has cake?
post #45 of 126
I thought I would put my 2 cents in...........
Some people truly need to go to school to learn how to clean......so sad but so true.
Mrs. Bronwen is not working on someones teeth or flying a plane. I think the lady rocks and I would love take in class that I could from her!!! She has been in the business a lot longer than some of us have, so she knows more than a lot of us. Heck, I bet she knows more than most of the people with that degree that went to school to decorate cakes!

I would love to order a cake and let my family consume that cake that I purchased with cash, from a lady that does this out of her home.
Oh, as long as I do not know about her hubby killing him a big ol buck (male deer) and that kitchen being used to slaughter that buck.

This happened with a goat in China Grove, N.C. at Chaptains Galley. A wonderful lady lost her life......and countless others were deathly sick.

http://www.salisburypost.com/Area/101808-captain-galley-reopening-china-grove

My 2 cents are up.
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