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post #76 of 112
Here you go flourbud, click this link and all the acronyms are there for you!

http://www.cakecentral.com/cake-decorating-ftopict-2926.html

In my area when we say butter cream we mean icing made with butter. The shortening based icings are referred to as "bakery icing". icon_smile.gif
post #77 of 112
THANKS FOR THE DICTIONARY
post #78 of 112
Sorry, I didn't mean to pick a fight. Nor did I intend to insult anyone, or disrespect anyone. If I did any of the above, I apologize.

If your customers like shortening-based icings, then by all means you should make them and sell them. I have no problem with that. If you like the flavor and consistency, I have no problem with that either. I'm not judging you for what you choose to make and/or sell.

But if I ordered a buttercream cake from somewhere and got an all-shortening icing, I'd be upset. If somethinng contains no butter, you shouldn't call it buttercream. It's just truth in labeling, in my opinion. Similar to how large producers cannot call their candies "chocolate" if it doesn't contiain chocolate, they have to say "chocolatey" or chocolate flavored.

I understand all of your arguements, I just respectfully disagree.

I guess I'm just a butter snob!
post #79 of 112
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Originally Posted by timhenk

But if I ordered a buttercream cake from somewhere and got an all-shortening icing, I'd be upset. If somethinng contains no butter, you shouldn't call it buttercream.



But when it's pretty much the industry standard to call it that, I can't see how someone can blame the cake maker because the customer doesn't understand the industry terminology? As someone said, ice cream doesnt' have ice in it. Coke no longer has cocaine in it, but it's still called coke. And we still say "dial a phone" even tho' I haven't seen a "dial" phone in years.

Popcorn in theaters hasn't had real butter on it in decades (and I worked in a theater decades ago), but we still order and call it "buttered" popcorn.

ANd red velvet cake doesnt' have any velvet in it. icon_biggrin.gif

I looked up some stuff earlier today re: where the name buttercream came from and pretty much everything I saw said it had butter or "other fat", so it appears it's ok to call non-butter icing "buttercream".

Anyone is welcome to disagree with it, but I can't see how you can get upset with it when it's the industry accepted terminology.
post #80 of 112
THANK YOU Indydebi.

I could kiss you right now. That was my point, exaclty! thumbs_up.gif







ETA: Timhenk: nothing I wrote in this thread was directed to any one poster or person. It has just been such a debate for so long and I had to air my point of view in general. It was not directed at you personally and no offense taken. icon_smile.gif

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post #81 of 112
Maybe it's called buttercream because it's creamy and spreads like butter!

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post #82 of 112
I agree with all those who said it aint BUTTERcream without BUTTER. I would never use margarine (I did try for cost and even posted a question about it some time ago but couldnt bring myself to do it)

Just a note. Did you know that if you leave a stick of margarine near an ant hill the ants wont even eat it? Its true. They will eat butter but not margarine hmmmmm if even the ants wont eat it what does taht say about it LOL

And as far as shortening goes, because it melts at a higher temp it stays greasy in your mouth and I simply cannot tolerate it. I cannot get past that no matter how much the recipe is recommended.
post #83 of 112
I can understand both sides of this debate, but as far as this being an "industry standard"...well maybe only those "in the industry" know that. Until I began cake decorating courses I had no idea that you could make icing with all shortening and call it buttercream. I had ordered buttercream icing on cakes for many years from the grocery store and bakeries and always thought I was getting a butter icing, like the kind my mother used to make. But I couldn't understand why it was tasteless and so greasy on the palate. I'm 55 and just discovered this. So I think that this term the industry uses is misleading to the average person.
post #84 of 112
I agree with Sharon and Indydeby.. More than that, buttercream likes and dislikes change from person to person. Some like the half ratio half butter( Im one of those), but some people hate the feeling of pure butter on their mouths.
I say to each it's own.

As for wilton..
Wilton recipe is as basic as it can be. Why they dont use butter for their basic class???? Well simple....try working with the same butter based icing for 2 hours and you will find a soupy mess!

Wilton teaches the basics so not only buttercream but decorations, so people can go on their own and find their own styles.

Most of the recipes you find around have the same basic ingredients. Some are lighter than other ones. None of them are bad, they are just meant for those tastebuds that enjoy them.


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post #85 of 112
well said, Edna
post #86 of 112
Quote:
Originally Posted by flourbud

Until I began cake decorating courses I had no idea that you could make icing with all shortening and call it buttercream.


Oh that's funny because when my friend gave me my crisco-based icing recipe, she told me it was "wedding cake icing". For years (decades!) I thought that was the ONLY icing ever used on a wedding cake. I used to tell people all the time "There is no butter in buttercream." I had no idea icing was EVER made with butter! icon_lol.gificon_lol.gificon_lol.gif
post #87 of 112
Quote:
Originally Posted by indydebi

Popcorn in theaters hasn't had real butter on it in decades (and I worked in a theater decades ago), but we still order and call it "buttered" popcorn.



Not to split hairs, but the government deemed they couldn't legally do that anymore, so many large theater chains now ask if you would like "topping" on your popcorn lol
Tara
<---wonders if anyone uses REAL ingredients anymore--sugar fruit nuts, cream, butter etc--instead of flavoring chemical cream from a bucket with pudding & jello and calling it "mousse"
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Tara
<---wonders if anyone uses REAL ingredients anymore--sugar fruit nuts, cream, butter etc--instead of flavoring chemical cream from a bucket with pudding & jello and calling it "mousse"
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post #88 of 112
Yeah, but the government also stopped theaters and microwave popcorn producers from using "nasty" coconut and palm kernel oils as the base for their popping oil because of their saturated fat content. Instead they were told to use vegetable shortening. All of a sudden vegetable shortening became bad because of transfats, and now people are back to using "natural" coconut and palm kernel oils and saying why did we ever stop??!!

I absolutely ADORE the taste of butter and frequently eat it alone. I even make my own sometimes. I cook with it. But my buttercream recipe is ALL vegetable shortening. It just plain old works better. Come to think of it, there's no cream in my buttercream recipe either.

Oh well. All's well that ends well. icon_smile.gif
post #89 of 112
Ok, you guys have convinced me. thumbs_up.gif

I have decided to chnage the name of my recipe to:

Sharon's Crusting Sweetexmate



J/K. I still stand by my previous post. Just being silly. icon_eek.gif

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post #90 of 112
Quote:
Originally Posted by mellee



I absolutely ADORE the taste of butter and frequently eat it alone.




icon_surprised.giftapedshut.gif ....I like butter, but not this much!.... icon_lol.gificon_lol.gificon_lol.gif
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