No duh, missy. You are preaching to the choir, d kelly.
If I am I apologize..........since I couldn't tell from your question about "why is it unacceptable to dislike kids?" Thought you were supporting it.
Thanks for clarifying.....
Since the issue of kids at a cake class was brought up, I went to a cake SHOW last year and there were all sorts of kids there. I was standing at a table looking at some of the cakes and there were three little kids - probably 3-6 years old. The oldest of the three was holding one of the little ones around the waist and started swinging her around in a circle with her legs stretched out in front of her right next to the cake table and the mothers all stood there talking and allowing the kids to do that.
All I could think of was all that hard work that went into those beautiful cakes and what a shame it would be if those kids knocked the table and the cakes went toppling..or the table leg got kicked and the whole thing went down. Someone from the show came over and asked the children to stop and even then the moms just stood there talking. Grrrrrr....
I hope for the sake of the talented men, women and young people who put so much hard work and energy into these cakes that they ask for the kids to be left home in the future.
WOW! I am sorry and SURPRISED! The place (Michaels) where I took my Wilton classes allowed children. In fact, my last class we had two kids taking the class with their parents. I think they were 8 and 9. I even inquired about it and she said the youngest in the class was about 6 YO one time.
I'd like to see that policy as I was never given a policy when signing up for classes. And there was a time where I almost had to bring my 4 yo with me. I can understand if it is a full class as there isn't much room to begin with in that little tiny room (maybe yours is bigger, I don't know). But, I would say something to the manager. Embarrassing you and being rude is uncalled for.
I suggest finding a new place to take your courses if this is how they treat their customers. And, I know plenty of 4 YO that sit so quietly, it blows my mind.
It's not unacceptable to dislike kids.. if you don't like them so what? People who don't like kids don't have them so they aren't subjecting poor little kids to their loathing. Who cares who likes kids and who doesn't?? Someone no liking kids doesn't effect my kids.. or your kids so why should it matter? LOADS of people can't stand kids. I love kids, but it doesn't make me any better than someone who doesn't.
But on point.. showing up late to a class with a young child isn't exactly a proper thing to do. And I know that the people who signed up for their course 3 weren't banking on it being a daycare situation. It's not fair to the other people involved.
I am truely sorry for the OP's embarrassment, but I, even being a kid lover, wouldn't have been happy with a small child being toted to a class I paid money to attend. Now I would have no problem with an older child attending the class as a class member.. but not a toddler.
I agree that this post is veering WAAAAY off point.
Why is it always considered so unacceptable to dislike children? Some people hate cats or dogs or horses. Some people hate people, and some hate kids.
I do realize you are not saying you dislike children (your post doesnt say either way). And I am not saying that children should be allowed in all social situations. But...in answer to your question
It's unacceptable because when people say they dislike (loathe, hate, whatever) children because it's prejudicial. Some people don't think it's offensive to say they dislike children, but it is just as offensive as announcing that you dislike jewish people, catholics, black people, etc.
jkalman, I totally agree. My course II ending up being only myself and 2 young teens in the class. They were eager to learn and very excited. They made it interesting. Young people paying to take a class and small toddlers being brought to along to a class where other people are paying to learn a skill are 2 entirely different situations.
She's not saying she doesn't like jewish children or asian children.. it's ALL children regardless of race or religion. No one takes issue when someone says I hate men.. but "oh no.. not children".. THAT's a complete sin. Saying you dislike anything is prejudicial if you go by your train of thought.
Some people aren't wired to like the antics of children.. it doesn't make them a bad person.. just honest.
And to recant.. I love kids lest someone think I am in the kid hater's camp. I just don't see the logic that liking kids is mandatory to being a good human.
When I was in college I had a professor who not only loathed kids, she loathed everyone. She was the most miserable and cynical person that I ever met. I always felt kind of sorry for her though. I just thought her life must be so miserable to have such a bad attitude. Sometimes people are so mean that it's actually comical.
Anyway, when I took the 4 or 5 week Wilton fondant class, one week my sitter was sick. I took my 4 year old with me. I arrived early and set her up with her own fondant and tools. She was perfect and everyone adored her. I can take any of my kids with me and they are perfect, individually. I'd never take the three of them together to a class. I would never take any of them to my professional culinary classes. There's too many ways for them to get hurt. I am sure kids aren't allowed there anyway.
Funny, isn't it...that people who hate kids used to be a kid themselves.... maybe they just had a rough childhood. *shrugs*
I know I was alot harder on people with kids before I had my own. Anybody who has no kids has no idea how hard it is...and therefore its always nice to give somebody a break when one can find it in one's heart.
I'm sure there was a way the OP's situation could have been solved with all parties satisfied. My point isn't necessarily about rule (if indeed it was really a rule) but rather the way it was handled.
Sure...its the "right" thing to do to enforce rules and everything like that. But sometimes being kind to others and going out of one's way to pacify the situation is not only "right" but it reaps rewards in the future.
Incidentally I know people who loathe old people in nursing homes too. Funny thing is...they'll be sitting there too some day. Hoping just one little person in the whole wide world will come visit them for five minutes.
You reap what you sow.
gotta agree with kitagirl about the "loathe kids" comment..........that's just not 2 words that should ever go together! Yuck
When I took the Wilton courses my kids were very young and to be honest I used the courses as a "night out with the girls". Looking back, I kind of wished they had served wine, than it would have been a REAL girls night out....oh well!
Having said that, there are 2 sides and I understand both side's reactions. Sorry you were embarassed and hurt, but I wouldn't let it stop you from taking the course when you do have a sitter for your child. I don't think the teacher's reaction was unjustified, maybe her delivery was insensitive, but, her class was disrupted by the OP's late arrival.
Does anyone know of any cake courses where they serve cheese and wine???????
I like your idea about the cheese and wine cake decorating classes. I see a real future there because I think it would be a great class. For myself I considered it a nice break from the kiddos once a week.
Doesn't the Viking Store have wine at every class? The only one that I have been to without wine was one for parents and kids gingerbread houses. They have a couple of cake decorating classes there!
Vanz....
I am sorry you had that problem in your class. I wish the teacher had handled that in a more discreet manner.
I have 2 children....7 years and 2 years, and I must say, I don't believe I would have taken them to the class anyways. Now, given you said your previous instructor had allowed kids....me personally I WANT A VACATION FROM MINE!!! They are great kids but sometimes....I need a break. I understand that with your hubby being busy with church it wasn't possible though.
Now coming from a student in the class perspective....I would be easily irritated if I paid money for a class to learn and I had a child in there distracting me. They can be chatty little boogers and they bump tables and then mom has to keep telling them to behave....not saying yours was misbehaving.
I don't know...I have mixed feelings on it I guess. I definitely believe that you shouldn't have been spoken to the way you were. I do hope you get to re-enroll in the class though! Keep your chin up!
this is funny to hear about the kids. My fondant and gumpaste class there was actually a kid- i guess around 10- who was taking the class (his dad would sit in there with him or walk around the store) and a mother who sign up herself and her daughter- i suppose she was around 10 too.
This thread is full of hate speech and should not be allowed to continue.
This thread is full of hate speech and should not be allowed to continue.
That's a lttle dramatic...and untrue.
Definition of hate speech as I understand it: Bigoted speech attacking or disparaging a social or ethnic group or a member of such a group.
Regardless...this entire thread is a huge waste of waste! Meet me over in the one about people all twisted up over their pictures not getting comments!! Geeeez 
Doesn't the Viking Store have wine at every class? The only one that I have been to without wine was one for parents and kids gingerbread houses. They have a couple of cake decorating classes there!
Krissie, I've never been to a Viking store but that sounds really interesting.
One thing ya'll may not know... we are a "by the book" store because the location is so new.
I don't have a classroom. I have a double wide Wilton aisle. I move the displays (on roller feet) and put out tables. I can fit a table length wise down the center, put a student on each side, and still have customers get a cart through with no issues.
I don't have the... *luxury* (looks around for lightening to strike me dead 
)... of a classroom. There is no out of the way place. Everyone at the table is seen and heard.
Also I looked back through my Wilton info and handouts from my training over the summer and it states clearly in there on a couple of their handouts "Due to space restrictions only paid students are able to attend class." - So this appears to be a Wilton rule (if Michael's has the same rule or is just enforcing Wilton's I don't know now. I'll have to look.).
I know both the Michael's I have worked at over the years have held fast to this rule.
As I said some store managers might not care and may not even mention it because they don't care about it while others follow it with out any questions asked.
One thing about these great retail chains is their fact of being consistant on being inconsistant to policy. 
Our local discount cooking school/store allows you to bring wine to class! They have two cake classes, too. In fact, some classes they provide it. They have steak classes, cheese classes, knife skills...you name it. One of the guys from Top Chef teaches there now, too. Brian Malarkey, i think was his name. The steak classes are taught by real butchers who own the la-ti-da butcher shop here (Siesel's) and teach you cuts & how to prepare them. They have classes that go to ethnic stores (we have A LOT) and basically give you a tour of all the "wierd" food and give you recipes.
this is funny to hear about the kids. My fondant and gumpaste class there was actually a kid- i guess around 10- who was taking the class (his dad would sit in there with him or walk around the store) and a mother who sign up herself and her daughter- i suppose she was around 10 too.
I'm just quoting you because you were the last one to give this example. 
It's one thing for me to allow children who have paid and signed up.
It's another for one to take the course and plans to bring her child with her because she can't afford daycare every week.
It's completely another thing if there was a last minute issue and you felt this was your only choice and arrived with a child for a one time thing.
Just like the age rule... I will take children age 8 and up. My rule, I will need to talk to the child to be sure it's what they want and not what mom wants for the child. I want to be sure the child realizes it's fun but it's also a lot of work.
One of our other teachers refuses anyone to sign up for her course under the age of 13 and insists that a parent/guardian over 18 take the course with them no matter what. She will move them to my Saturday class or refund them on the spot. She doesn't want to deal with teaching "a kid" not because she "hates them" but because she feels that prior to that age it's not worth her time.
Here you go Jibbies:
Thanks! Don't mind if I do. Looks like I may have to come back for more
Jibbies
Anytime I need a good drama, I know just where to come!
But just to throw in my 2 cents, I think the instructor in question did the right thing, but could have possibly handled it a little bit more delicately and spared the OP's feelings (although since the class was already in session I'm not sure how). Life can stink sometimes, but what matters is how you take your experiences into the future.
I am a Wilton teacher, and as long as the kids behave, I let my students bring them. Is not typical for students to want to bring their kids to class, since they want to relax and learn. But I wont stop them if they have an issue , from taking the class..I think it was a bit rude the way she handle it.
Edna
Doesn't the Viking Store have wine at every class? The only one that I have been to without wine was one for parents and kids gingerbread houses. They have a couple of cake decorating classes there!
So cool........I don't think we have that store here in the Northeast though, I've not heard of it if we do 
Jibbies it's good to see your post, I was recently wondering where you've been. I guess I just missed you
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