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PVC/Vinyl: The Poison Plastic

post #1 of 28
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After browsing through the CC forum, I was so excited to buy vinyl for rolling out my fondant when I came across this site discussing how PVC, more commonly known as vinyl, is one of the most hazardous yet commonly used materials in homes, offices, etc.

http://www.chej.org/BESAFE/pvc/about.htm

Reading how even the "new car or shower curtain smell" (compliments of PVC) is highly toxic to the body gave me shivers just thinking how much toxins my fondant will be absorbing once I roll it out on a vinyl mat.

Oh well. Guess I'll just really have to invest in a good silicone mat. I'd never live with myself if I even think I was somehow responsible for slowly poisoning my little niece and nephews.

Granted that basically every room in my house has PVC products (and I doubt if I can find an alternative for each of them). But I still wouldn't dream of actually using PVC to prepare any food I serve.

Just thought I should give CC'ers a heads up.
post #2 of 28
Thanks for sharing.
post #3 of 28
Hmmmm.....waiting for some of our consumer advocate members to weigh in here.
~ Sherri
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~ Sherri
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post #4 of 28
Yesssssssssss, this has been brought up before................sigh..............

The phthalates used to make vinyl flexible aren't good for us.

The greatest concern has been the use of phthalates in toys and teething rings, etc.--those things that kids might chew on constantly and over long periods of time.

It's like many other current "hot button" environmental issues where some are convinced that the new shower curtain is a death knell --I change my VINYL curtain every 4 months--I'll let you know..........

My personal take is that the incidental contact between vinyl & fondant can't be any worse than incidental contact with silicone--even "food grade" shouldn't actually be ingested and I'm sure that friction causes the release of particles from both surfaces.

No one using vinyl to roll fondant on is making anyone's niece or nephew "sick"!

Just my honest .02
Rae
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post #5 of 28
Hmmm, makes you think, I remember hearing the exact same thing about cling film though (saran wrap) icon_confused.gif
post #6 of 28
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Originally Posted by BlakesCakes

No one using vinyl to roll fondant on is making anyone's niece or nephew "sick"!



So sick as in immediate or long-term because you are exposing them to carcinogens which accumulate over time to cause cancer. So yes, you are making them sick whether you want to admit it or not.

but.... deodorant is a carcinogen, toothpaste is a carcinogen, etc. etc.

I guess the real issue is where do you draw the line because the majority of stuff you use is a carcinogen.

There are so many things people use to make their cakes that aren't food safe, the vinyl, for one, foam rollers, clay products, etc. that I guess we just have to pick our battles.
post #7 of 28
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Originally Posted by aswartzw

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Originally Posted by BlakesCakes

No one using vinyl to roll fondant on is making anyone's niece or nephew "sick"!



So sick as in immediate or long-term because you are exposing them to carcinogens which accumulate over time to cause cancer. So yes, you are making them sick whether you want to admit it or not.

but.... deodorant is a carcinogen, toothpaste is a carcinogen, etc. etc.

I guess the real issue is where do you draw the line because the majority of stuff you use is a carcinogen.

There are so many things people use to make their cakes that aren't food safe, the vinyl, for one, foam rollers, clay products, etc. that I guess we just have to pick our battles.




You are SOOOOOOOOO RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!! In the overall picture of things, we're all killing ourselves and each other with every manmade, synthetic product & all subsequent by-produts.

Every item that makes our lives more convenient is a nail in our coffins.

NO ONE should eat cake--especially cake with icing--because refined white sugar, corn syrup, and the fats in these products shouldn't be present in the human diet.

People who create high fat, high sugar products are contributing to the obesity epidemic in the world. They are enabling sugar addicts and compulsive eaters. They have no regard for the well-being of the world. If they use teflon coated pans, knives, or spatulas, they are in complete disregard of the health of others.

It's all just a plot to make things worse.

Now, that foolishness said, You are right--WE EACH HAVE THE RIGHT TO PICK AND CHOOSE THE AWFUL THINGS WE DO TO OURSELVES AND EACH OTHER EVERY MORNING WHEN WE GET OUT OF BED.

I just happen to be sick of the "henny penny's" of the world who title posts with "buzz" words like POISON to advance their own agenda. There are plenty of ways to educate people without scaring them. True education presents both sides and allows the student to use the information to come to their own decision. It doesn't beat them over the head with a guilt trip based on only one side of the story.

I have "picked my battle"--at least one of them-- and it is to present the "other" side of the story........................

Rae
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They say that a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, but it is not one half so bad as a lot of ignorance.--Terry Pratchett (b.194
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post #8 of 28
Oh well. Guess I'll just really have to invest in a good silicone mat.


That is just what the silicone mat people want you to do. My vinyle mat is starting to peel, so if you don't want your old one, I will take it.
post #9 of 28
oh I am so going to get "flamed" for this...

Isn't is sad that in today society, being born is a death sentence?

Thank you for the information. You can never learn too much icon_biggrin.gif
post #10 of 28
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Originally Posted by nutcase68

Oh well. Guess I'll just really have to invest in a good silicone mat.


That is just what the silicone mat people want you to do. My vinyle mat is starting to peel, so if you don't want your old one, I will take it.



lol!!! the "silicone mat people" i love it.
but seriously, too true...
come to the dark side people...
roll on vinyl!!!
MUWAHAHA! icon_evil.gificon_lol.gif
post #11 of 28
I didn't read the article, but chances are the pipes in your house are pvc?
post #12 of 28
Many people have PVC pipes in their homes. If the pipe is used for drinking water (potable), it must be made a certain way and marked. At this time, using PVC for potable water isn't very common.

The issue has more to do with the flexibility of the polyvinylchloride piping. The more flexible, the more phthalates (the questionable compound). Home piping for drinking water is generally not very flexible, so it has fewer phthalates.

Rae
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They say that a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, but it is not one half so bad as a lot of ignorance.--Terry Pratchett (b.194
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post #13 of 28
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The issue has more to do with the flexibility of the polyvinylchloride piping. The more flexible, the more phthalates (the questionable compound). Home piping for drinking water is generally not very flexible, so it has fewer phthalates.

Rae[/quote]

Have you ever installed an icemaker or drinking water to a refridgerater? The reverse osmosis system for your drinking water is set up the same way. All flex hose.
post #14 of 28
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Originally Posted by nutcase68


Have you ever installed an icemaker or drinking water to a refridgerater? The reverse osmosis system for your drinking water is set up the same way. All flex hose.



Right---that type of flexible hose has to be rated for potable water. It may be made flexible by something other than phthalates or it may be coated inside to prevent "heavy" exposure of the water to the tubing.

The general thinking is that things that are being consumed or held in the mouth should not have LONG exposures to phthalates.

My argument is that rolling fondant on vinyl is SHORT/INCIDENTAL exposure and, therefore, not a problem. People aren't eating fondant covered cake 3 times a day!

Rae
I love you, but your emergency is not my crisis!

They say that a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, but it is not one half so bad as a lot of ignorance.--Terry Pratchett (b.194
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They say that a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, but it is not one half so bad as a lot of ignorance.--Terry Pratchett (b.194
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post #15 of 28
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Originally Posted by BlakesCakes

[ People aren't eating fondant covered cake 3 times a day!

Rae



Maybe people would be happier if they did. Too many grumpy people in the world.
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