Was It Always Like This?

Business By AllCakedOut Updated 11 Jul 2008 , 3:53pm by loriana

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milissasmom Posted 2 Jul 2008 , 7:12am
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Reading this comment helps me to understand where your fustration comes from.
But you need to realize that it never stops. There is ALWAYS going to be someone who thinks they can do what you do because you make it 'look so easy'. When you hear comments like that, you should be 'gleaming' on the inside. They think it's easy? They think they can do this? Let 'em try. And that's when they'll realize their's more to it.
They think its glamorous because you make it look glamorous. And thats a compliment.
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This is exactly what I was thinking!!!! When people do or say things like that to me, I don't CARE! People have asked me how to do things and I have given them step-by-step directions (when I have had time) and they have sent me pictures that look like something COMPLETELY different than what I would have done or even what I instructed them to do! Some of them where happy with their results and some of them have told me they will never try their hand at it again and will Just Order from the Professional! I have had people tell me how EASY this or that LOOKS and when they tried it, they gained a whole new respect for what WE do! Do what you can to help (I love the time you spend with the youth, sounds AWESOME). Give back to society when you have time...you don't have to even entertain those people who insult you (even when they are not smart enough to realize that they aer insulting you). Returning an email is a nice gesture if/when you have time but you don't owe anyone anything! You have to let most of this stuff sort of roll off of you...To carry it or over analyze it is not healthy...Folk get on my nerve too...but I laugh it off and Keep On Cakin! Trust me, they will NEVER, EVER be your competition! Most of them Couldn't stand the heat in the kitchen and would be out doing the next HOT thing in a flash! Lazy people won't put in the work it takes to be successful at this.

I totally got your OP and also understand how others could have misunderstood what you were trying to say but I KNOW that you would not have posted/vented here on CC if you were talking about CC folk...that wouldn't have made sense...The benefit of the doubt was automatically given icon_smile.gif

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CakeRN Posted 2 Jul 2008 , 11:07am
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I started out just wanting to take a class in cake decorating. Now I know I am only mediocre in this game but I do like to do it for fun. Lots of people say " Oh you should go into business " My answer is " I would starve to death". I like doing cakes but it takes me forever and I wouldn't want to do it all the time. Nursing pays the bills and gives me enough money to play around with cakes. Know your limits is what I say...

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DoubleA Posted 2 Jul 2008 , 12:10pm
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Exactly, CakeRN! My day job allows me the freedom to learn aobut cake decorating and the more I learn, the more I would like to do this all the time. But then again, there are the 18 hour days...YIKES!

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jonescarolyn3 Posted 2 Jul 2008 , 1:14pm
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Mindywith3Boys. Don't you dare be distracted by this forum. Trust me there is enoug money out there for everyone, even in this bad economy. I am opening up my bake shop in March and would welcome the idea of helping people learn whatever I know about this business. I am currently a Naval member working on my Masters Degree in Education, and I spend a lot of time researching land earning about running a successful business. If you take anything from AllCakedOut it is learn the business!! Spend a lot of time researching how to run a sucessful business. The last thing I want to say is this "Do what you love and the rest will follow!". However, you have to have a business sense and you can learn that. If I had to guess you probably run the financials in your household being a stay at home mom, which by the way is the hardest job in America. You would never want your household to go belly up would you? Invest that very desire in your business and build on it. Good Luck and I will be rooting for you.

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tcakes65 Posted 2 Jul 2008 , 1:19pm
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This really is a pessimistic view! Plenty of people have successful businesses without formal business training.



That's why I also said "or are at least naturally gifted with a business mind". It seems too many people are all caught up in what they see on tv (not much of the business end of things), and totally don't get that it is a *business*



Despite your also stating "naturally gifted" you are still saying that you have to have a mind for business in order to start a business. Some doctors have a fancy degree and are not fit to take my blood pressure so a degree doesn't necessarily mean anything. I don't think you have to have a degree or be "naturally gifted" to start a business, cake or not. You just have to have the determination and a willingness to learn what it takes to succeed . People that can afford it hire other people to take care of that part. Maybe those people asking you all these "annoying" questions don't know where to start. Maybe you should be a nicer person and point them in the right direction instead of insulting them in a forum where they can't defend themselves. It's disheartening to read the things that you wrote. I decorate cakes because I think it is fun. I stress a little during but am happy when I finish and have a piece of edible art sitting in front of me to show for it. I have a passion for it right now and can't wait to start a new cake. I am curious if you started doing it b/c it was fun and you had a passion for it or b/c it was "THE THING" at the time.
It sounds like you have lost your passion for it and maybe cake decorating isn't "THE THING" for you. icon_confused.gif




I find my degree very meaningful and valuable. I don't think you can apply across the board that degrees don't mean anything. I didn't pay all that money and devote four years of my life for it to be worthless. Obviously it is important or there wouldn't be such a thing as a college education. Do I think I'm better because I have one? NO. As we all know, anyone can start a business. There is a place for everyone in the industry, degreed and non-degreed. Those with degrees worked very hard for them and don't deserve the remark. So let's end this degree versus no degree. Bottom line is if you're trained well whether with a degree, under someone's direction, or self-taught, there shouldn't be an issue. I am successful with a degree. My father on the other hand was extremely successful with a high school education. He read every book he could get his hands on and learned from the best. A person can be successful as long as he/she works hard, has a strong work ethic, and learns the ins and outs of their particular industry.

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indydebi Posted 2 Jul 2008 , 1:27pm
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.... So let's end this degree versus no degree. Bottom line is if you're trained well whether with a degree, under someone's direction, or self-taught, there shouldn't be an issue. I am successful with a degree. My father on the other hand was extremely successful with a high school education.




Agree. My father-in-law didn't even have a high school diploma and ran a successful biz for 60 years. I have a cousin who was a high school drop out and is a millionaire and just retired from owning his own car dealerships. But I also know these folks are the exception and not the rule.

I don't have a college degree and I CONSTANTLY tell my kids, "Don't do it the hard way, like I did" and encourage them to get that degree now ... before they have a spouse and kids that will take all of their time and attention.

While I constantly run into college grads who are total idiots (I tell them "You need to call the bursar's office and get a refund if they let you graduate without knowing the basics!"), I also have many, many people who have crossed paths in my life who are smart, degree'd people who have taught me a lot.

Whether it's a life-education or a college education or a series of wilton classes ..... add'l education is never a bad thing.

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Sugar_Plum_Fairy Posted 2 Jul 2008 , 1:36pm
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I think this sort of sums up to what the original poster was referring: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2003534148_chefs21.html




Just wanted to reiterate.

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jonescarolyn3 Posted 2 Jul 2008 , 1:55pm
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I love that article on to many cooks for the kitchen. Very informative. I am a part-time caterer/baker, and a full time military member. Between the cakes and the catering jobs, my husband hates (but always loves me) me sometimes. I work most times alone, and it is a lot of work, and extremely long hours. The desire is only half the battle, this is a hard business, but like the article says when you see the look on a customer face of pure delight it is worth it. If you can see you can achieve it.

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indydebi Posted 2 Jul 2008 , 1:56pm
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I think this sort of sums up to what the original poster was referring: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2003534148_chefs21.html



Just wanted to reiterate.




I forwarded this link to my hubby because he and I were talking about this very thing just last week. The cake competitions that are shown in an hour, but it's an 8 hour competition. (I'd LUV to see the outtakes on this show.) But the general public sees a quick, simple cake for 1000 thrown together in an hour and they think it's that easy.

I'm constantly battling "it's not like you see on TV". The biggest question is "How do you carry a 5-tier cake!" and I have to tell them, "One cake at a time..... the 5-tier cakes you see being carried in a movie is made of styrofoam and that one doesnt' weigh 200 lbs!!"

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kimmypooh79 Posted 2 Jul 2008 , 3:39pm
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This really is a pessimistic view! Plenty of people have successful businesses without formal business training.



That's why I also said "or are at least naturally gifted with a business mind". It seems too many people are all caught up in what they see on tv (not much of the business end of things), and totally don't get that it is a *business*



Despite your also stating "naturally gifted" you are still saying that you have to have a mind for business in order to start a business. Some doctors have a fancy degree and are not fit to take my blood pressure so a degree doesn't necessarily mean anything. I don't think you have to have a degree or be "naturally gifted" to start a business, cake or not. You just have to have the determination and a willingness to learn what it takes to succeed . People that can afford it hire other people to take care of that part. Maybe those people asking you all these "annoying" questions don't know where to start. Maybe you should be a nicer person and point them in the right direction instead of insulting them in a forum where they can't defend themselves. It's disheartening to read the things that you wrote. I decorate cakes because I think it is fun. I stress a little during but am happy when I finish and have a piece of edible art sitting in front of me to show for it. I have a passion for it right now and can't wait to start a new cake. I am curious if you started doing it b/c it was fun and you had a passion for it or b/c it was "THE THING" at the time.
It sounds like you have lost your passion for it and maybe cake decorating isn't "THE THING" for you. icon_confused.gif



I find my degree very meaningful and valuable. I don't think you can apply across the board that degrees don't mean anything. I didn't pay all that money and devote four years of my life for it to be worthless. Obviously it is important or there wouldn't be such a thing as a college education. Do I think I'm better because I have one? NO. As we all know, anyone can start a business. There is a place for everyone in the industry, degreed and non-degreed. Those with degrees worked very hard for them and don't deserve the remark. So let's end this degree versus no degree. Bottom line is if you're trained well whether with a degree, under someone's direction, or self-taught, there shouldn't be an issue. I am successful with a degree. My father on the other hand was extremely successful with a high school education. He read every book he could get his hands on and learned from the best. A person can be successful as long as he/she works hard, has a strong work ethic, and learns the ins and outs of their particular industry.



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hat is exactly my point.
That is why I said "doesn't necessarily mean anything". My husband has a BS and is working on a Masters. i know how hard he worked for it and he's doing great in his chosen profession. I also know a few people that got degrees, wasted them and are working in fast food and low paying retail jobs. It's not a slam on people that have degrees, it's the point that you don't have to have one to succeed in certain areas. There are obviously some careers where a degree is a requirement but cake decorating is not one of them. So, for AllCakedOut to say that you have to have a BS in business or be "naturally gifted with a business sense" is just arrogant. Like you and I are saying, you just have to be willing to learn and work hard.

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Mike1394 Posted 2 Jul 2008 , 3:47pm
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Kimmy your making the point for the whole thread. At least the way I see it. You don't need a degree to succeed. That's been proven many times over. I don't think Rockefeller, and Gates had a degree when they started.

Degree/no degree. What it does say though it says more about the person that ius doing it. The kind of person you need to be to do it. It's a special breed that can say the heck with X X X I have a business to run. Sorry dear you go watch the kids. You go make your own din din.

Mike

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kimmypooh79 Posted 2 Jul 2008 , 3:58pm
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Also, If my parents had the resources to send me to college I would have gone. Then as an adult there were bills to pay and I couldn't afford it. I thought about starting last year but my husband and I weighed out the options and decided that his masters was more important as he is the bread winner in the family and it will get him a substantial pay raise. Although at this point I don't know what my major would be.....I really only enjoy working with food (except for the clean up). Lucky for me the only bakery that I know of in my town is in the 2 grocery stores that we have. So don't think I am discrediting everybody's degrees. I just don't like the attitude that you have to have one to be a worthy person or business person. I've had to put up with that attitude from my in laws and I'll be danged if I'll listen to it here, too.

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BCJean Posted 2 Jul 2008 , 4:11pm
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Please....can't we see this....the OP never said, you have to have a business degree, she did say you have to be able to think business wise..she never said all culinary schools are crappy, she said these people who were coming to her went to one.(otherwise they would be out working some place.) She never said she was not willing to help someone get started.....

She is saying, these people who have none of the above and have no clue about business, decorating, hard work or anything are coming to her and wanting her to hand them, on a silver platter, everything she knew about getting a successful business going. These are people who you know would never be able to do it or they would have already taken some steps on their own. She has helped many people who have shown a genuine interest in a business. Why should she waste her valuable time on people who are not willing to lift a finger to do anything for themselves.

I feel the same way about homeless people..if someone is having hard times and trying to get their life together, I am willing to help all I can (and do)....if it is someone who has a life career of looking for handouts, count me out, I have better things to do.

No, you do not have to have a degree but you better have that special blood in your veins which says, I can do this, and I will. You don't have to take cake decorating lessons to learn to decorate, but you better be willing to practice and work hard at it.

You can go to professional schools and be taught how to do these things or you can read, research, and do it yourself but doing "neither" and expecting someone who has done it to give all of the info to you doesn't cut it. Without that drive you would not succeed and her time would be for no purpose.

Now, can we go back to the thread on what we are doing for the 4th.

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Mike1394 Posted 2 Jul 2008 , 4:16pm
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Also, If my parents had the resources to send me to college I would have gone. Then as an adult there were bills to pay and I couldn't afford it. I thought about starting last year but my husband and I weighed out the options and decided that his masters was more important as he is the bread winner in the family and it will get him a substantial pay raise. Although at this point I don't know what my major would be.....I really only enjoy working with food (except for the clean up). Lucky for me the only bakery that I know of in my town is in the 2 grocery stores that we have. So don't think I am discrediting everybody's degrees. I just don't like the attitude that you have to have one to be a worthy person or business person. I've had to put up with that attitude from my in laws and I'll be danged if I'll listen to it here, too.




Sorry this is going sound harsh. If you wanted to go to college. Why did the parents have to have the resources? Get a job, and do it yourself.

Mike

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summernoelle Posted 2 Jul 2008 , 4:16pm
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Wow, this thread is still going? Talk about opening a can of worms!

Degrees aren't necessary for most jobs-my DH didn't complete his, but makes more than most of his colleagues (and is their boss!) because he has TALENT. Talent is such a huge part of the equation-much more so than how much you spent on school (still paying off those student loans, ugh.) Just because you have a degree doesn't mean you are good at your job.

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mo_like_it Posted 2 Jul 2008 , 4:22pm
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I think the thing is this...to do it successfully, you need an education, whether that is formal, or through the great school of life, it doesn't matter, but you must educate yourself in some manner to be a success. In business, I think to learn as you go is possible, but risky. One wrong decision, and you can lose the whole thing! I don't think the business education has to be the first priority though, in starting out. Without the skill, in this case, cake decorating, you wouldn't have a product!

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kimmypooh79 Posted 2 Jul 2008 , 9:08pm
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Also, If my parents had the resources to send me to college I would have gone. Then as an adult there were bills to pay and I couldn't afford it. I thought about starting last year but my husband and I weighed out the options and decided that his masters was more important as he is the bread winner in the family and it will get him a substantial pay raise. Although at this point I don't know what my major would be.....I really only enjoy working with food (except for the clean up). Lucky for me the only bakery that I know of in my town is in the 2 grocery stores that we have. So don't think I am discrediting everybody's degrees. I just don't like the attitude that you have to have one to be a worthy person or business person. I've had to put up with that attitude from my in laws and I'll be danged if I'll listen to it here, too.



Sorry this is going sound harsh. If you wanted to go to college. Why did the parents have to have the resources? Get a job, and do it yourself.

Mike




summernoelle---well put-short but sweet. Thanks.

Mike--I started working when I was 13 (now 2icon_cool.gif b/c my family was lucky to pay the necessary bills. I quit school when I was 16 so that I could work and help my parents out and so I could support myself in terms of food, clothing, extra money, etc., I bought my own car with no help from anyone which got me to/from work. By the time I paid the $200/mo for the car and the $175 a month for ins (even though my record was clean, I was young) there wasn't a lot left over for school. I got my GED and have looked into classes at a community college but my hubby and I can't both go. I have a child to take care of and it makes the most sense at least for now for him to get his masters and work while I take care of the house and our daughter. I only stopped working a year ago b/c we had to move to another town for his job where there aren't many jobs available and we can't afford child care costs. When he is finished then I will look again. So FYI...I've been doing for myself since I was 13. Yes I am upset by your comment b/c you have no idea of my past or current situation and shouldn't make comments on circumstances you know nothing about.

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PieceofCakeAZ Posted 3 Jul 2008 , 12:22am
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I can't possibly comment on everything in this thread so I will go back to the original post.

No it hasn't always been like this. 8 years ago or so in the Phoenix metro area 2 or 3 new cake companies a year would pop up and usually 1 would cease to exist givng a net +1 or 2 companies a year. In the past 2 years well over 20 companies per year (and by companies I mean people that advertise, have registered company names and/or websites) have popped up and it's showing no sign of slowing down (I have literally learned of 4 new companies in the past 48 hours).

I have never been more thankful that we are established with a great reputation, because I would not want to be a start up cake company in our area right now.

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BCJean Posted 3 Jul 2008 , 12:31am
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PieceofCakeAZ,
Do you have any info on how many of these new ones are still in business a year later? We have very few private bakeries here, I thought that was a thing of the past.

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bizatchgirl Posted 3 Jul 2008 , 12:48am
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[/quote]And there is a difference between those who âhave no idea what itâs all aboutâ â¦â¦. and those who have no idea and they KNOW they have no idea â¦. so thatâs why theyâre asking.

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I think indydebi probably said it best. What a great mediator she is! It's the difference between someone really wanting to learn and someone wanting to just have everything dropped in their lap. I think OP came across too harsh, but everything she said made sense. As a newbie who started out making bday cakes for the fam, I was really interested to hear her point of view. I've been saying for months that I would love to walk into my local cake shop and offer myself up as free labor. I'm glad now that I never did. I wouldn't have been one of the goofballs who expected to just learn for free though, I would have expected to wash dishes, bake the cakes, work the register, take phone orders...and do all the un-fun stuff, just to catch a trick here and there and maybe work my way up to learning some real stuff. Piece of Cake, I'm in Gilbert. You looking for any slaves? icon_biggrin.gif


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bizatchgirl Posted 3 Jul 2008 , 12:53am
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ok, so I have no idea how to work the quote thing and put my stuff in quotes instead of indydebi's icon_redface.gif Also wanted to say...my whole desire to apprentice somewhere is just to learn how to make better cakes for my friends and family. I have no desire to go into business. It would take all of the fun out of cakes! I want make the cakes I want, when I want. I wouldn't have that choice if I were in business. I also KNOW I don't have the business sense.

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Janette Posted 3 Jul 2008 , 4:42am
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I think it's sad we have to really walk on eggshells on here now, there is so much offense taken.

I've gotten careful what i say around here, if i wanna vent, i sure don't do it on the open forum anymore, i'll write my cake buds privately...the ones who "get me"....

getting your butt BBQed isn't much fun.




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Janette Posted 3 Jul 2008 , 4:43am
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SHAME on Duff for having his own show and SHAME on Duff for having a show that makes the normal everyday person want to learn how to make cake. I would hope he would never hear all the compaints about his show since he does mention CC on his website as a great place for cake decorating tips


If you dont want people bugging you for info then dont reply. Its as simple as that!




Well said

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Janette Posted 3 Jul 2008 , 4:48am
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.... So let's end this degree versus no degree. Bottom line is if you're trained well whether with a degree, under someone's direction, or self-taught, there shouldn't be an issue. I am successful with a degree. My father on the other hand was extremely successful with a high school education.



Agree. My father-in-law didn't even have a high school diploma and ran a successful biz for 60 years. I have a cousin who was a high school drop out and is a millionaire and just retired from owning his own car dealerships. But I also know these folks are the exception and not the rule.

I don't have a college degree and I CONSTANTLY tell my kids, "Don't do it the hard way, like I did" and encourage them to get that degree now ... before they have a spouse and kids that will take all of their time and attention.

While I constantly run into college grads who are total idiots (I tell them "You need to call the bursar's office and get a refund if they let you graduate without knowing the basics!"), I also have many, many people who have crossed paths in my life who are smart, degree'd people who have taught me a lot.

Whether it's a life-education or a college education or a series of wilton classes ..... add'l education is never a bad thing.




Going back in History some of our first Presidents didn't make it past 6th grade or less. Ok, I know what some of you are thinking, I'm thinking it too but not saying it icon_lol.gif

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Janette Posted 3 Jul 2008 , 4:53am
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Also, If my parents had the resources to send me to college I would have gone. Then as an adult there were bills to pay and I couldn't afford it. I thought about starting last year but my husband and I weighed out the options and decided that his masters was more important as he is the bread winner in the family and it will get him a substantial pay raise. Although at this point I don't know what my major would be.....I really only enjoy working with food (except for the clean up). Lucky for me the only bakery that I know of in my town is in the 2 grocery stores that we have. So don't think I am discrediting everybody's degrees. I just don't like the attitude that you have to have one to be a worthy person or business person. I've had to put up with that attitude from my in laws and I'll be danged if I'll listen to it here, too.



Sorry this is going sound harsh. If you wanted to go to college. Why did the parents have to have the resources? Get a job, and do it yourself.

Mike




I don't think it's harsh, it's the truth. Sometimes the truth may seem harsh.

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Janette Posted 3 Jul 2008 , 5:03am
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Also, If my parents had the resources to send me to college I would have gone. Then as an adult there were bills to pay and I couldn't afford it. I thought about starting last year but my husband and I weighed out the options and decided that his masters was more important as he is the bread winner in the family and it will get him a substantial pay raise. Although at this point I don't know what my major would be.....I really only enjoy working with food (except for the clean up). Lucky for me the only bakery that I know of in my town is in the 2 grocery stores that we have. So don't think I am discrediting everybody's degrees. I just don't like the attitude that you have to have one to be a worthy person or business person. I've had to put up with that attitude from my in laws and I'll be danged if I'll listen to it here, too.



Sorry this is going sound harsh. If you wanted to go to college. Why did the parents have to have the resources? Get a job, and do it yourself.

Mike



summernoelle---well put-short but sweet. Thanks.

Mike--I started working when I was 13 (now 2icon_cool.gif b/c my family was lucky to pay the necessary bills. I quit school when I was 16 so that I could work and help my parents out and so I could support myself in terms of food, clothing, extra money, etc., I bought my own car with no help from anyone which got me to/from work. By the time I paid the $200/mo for the car and the $175 a month for ins (even though my record was clean, I was young) there wasn't a lot left over for school. I got my GED and have looked into classes at a community college but my hubby and I can't both go. I have a child to take care of and it makes the most sense at least for now for him to get his masters and work while I take care of the house and our daughter. I only stopped working a year ago b/c we had to move to another town for his job where there aren't many jobs available and we can't afford child care costs. When he is finished then I will look again. So FYI...I've been doing for myself since I was 13. Yes I am upset by your comment b/c you have no idea of my past or current situation and shouldn't make comments on circumstances you know nothing about.




Immy don't be upset. You are a rare story. I know when I read his comment the first thing that came to my mind was that our Daughter always felt we owed her a college education.l We did what we could, I would say 1/2 way. But till to this day she thinks she should have had a free ride via her parents. It was bad enough we went into our 401(k) to help her. Don't even get me started on her Wedding.

My son on the other hand worked very hard to put himself through college. And, has thanked us a million times over for everthing we did.

He went so far as to send us to Las Vagas for a week fully paid with extras. Not neccessary by no means but it still chokes me up thinking about it.

I guess what I'm saying is some kids you can never give/do enough for and some want to stand on their own two feet. You should be proud that you stood on your own.

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Janette Posted 3 Jul 2008 , 5:05am
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Originally Posted by BCJean

PieceofCakeAZ,
Do you have any info on how many of these new ones are still in business a year later? We have very few private bakeries here, I thought that was a thing of the past.




I remember way back when that only 1 in 5 businesses suvived. That was before Wal-Mart. I am sure it's less than that now.

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Janette Posted 3 Jul 2008 , 5:06am
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Hey, I think I have my own thread going on here

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KathysCC Posted 3 Jul 2008 , 5:11am
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Originally Posted by Janette

Hey, I think I have my own thread going on here




Janette, do you always talk to yourself like this or is it just something you do here on CC? icon_confused.gif

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Janette Posted 3 Jul 2008 , 5:13am
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Funny you mentioned that, I do talk to myself all the time. I guess I just chased everyone away.

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