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post #31 of 118
daltonam - STL is St. Louis . . .
post #32 of 118
Ok I gotta step in and say something here.... If they aren't paying for anything for this wedding, family is bringing all the food and such.... My brother and ex SIL did this for their wedding and I plan on doing this for mine, small and homey feeling... Anyway my brother and SIL paid for the cake... a vey big cake I might add... and she paid about $500.~ for that cake... My mother made ALL the food for days my father paid for the hall and the preacher and her grandfather paid for her gown... they didn't pay for anything but the cake....

If this couple doesn't have the normal expences that normal weddings encure (IE food, flowers, dress, hall, etc) then they can afford a $200.~ cake for a tiered cake and 2 sheet cakes... it's a pretty sweet deal! She'd better be happy with that price and jump on it because I can tell you I'd be charging her a lot more then that maybe closer to $300.~ or more and $1.~ per person... you can't even get a slice of cake at any resturant for under $3.50 a slice!!!!!

I'd just tell her nicely here are some names and numbers of bakeries that may be able to give you what you want cheaper and give her a list of Walmart, Grocery store bakeries etc and watch her come back to you... but I'd just explain to her that $2.~ per person or more is the base price and you're giving her a discount because you feel bad for her or whatever at $1.50 per person and she should be happy with that.... I can't imagine finding a wedding cake and 2 sheet cakes to feed 200 people for under $500.~ Especially when most places do charge $2.50-$3.00 per serving.....
Happy Cakin! ~*~Becky~*~
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post #33 of 118
Wow, this thread certainly rings true for us, doesn't it? icon_cool.gif I'm not sure why, but people seem to think if you don't have a "storefront," you're not entitled to charge the same prices. What they're not understanding is that in certain circumstances, we pay MORE for our supplies than wholesale. I for one wish Sam's would carry cake mixes, but I digress... icon_rolleyes.gif

I've dealt with this before. And ultimately, it's up to you to decide if "getting your feet wet" in the wedding world is going to be worth taking this order or not.

The large cake in my gallery and the fondant groom's cake that went with it easily carried 220 servings. Now--I do "small" meaning like 20 servings--wedding cakes on a weekly basis. In fact, I do so many of them I don't even bother to post them. Believe me--I was really excited and happy to have a big wedding to do. But at 1:00 am, with my feet swollen and my head tired, I was thinking, "Man, I should have charged $1000 for all this dang'd cake! GAH!" icon_twisted.gif

Just be clear with yourself if and/or when you take this project on. Even the sweetest of brides (I've been lucky) can be quite a hand full! There are phone calls, trips and supplies you'll spend money on that you probably haven't even thought about, lol!

I'm sure what ever you do for them it will be wonderful! Best of luck to you and POST PICS!! thumbs_up.gif

--Knox--

Your work is beautiful. Seriously--it is.
post #34 of 118
Here in my neighborhood, you can't even get Dunkin' Donuts for that price!!!!

I say don't do it! If you wnat to practice, then bake for your family and true friends.

I agree with Emma....she said that she has become KNOWN for expensive but very different cakes! If you do this, then you will become KNOWN for very INEXPENSIVE cakes!!! Trust me you will resent every minute of baking and decorating this order for her price.

Tell her, sorry, can't charge any less. If her family is bringing the food, then her family can bring the cake too.

p.s. why is this woman getting married without a dime in her pocket?
post #35 of 118
If you feel the need for doing a wedding cake make one and bring it to your bank or somewhere ask them to display it before they eat it. It would be appreciated more and donate it for a thank you and you will recieve business off that. Chalk it up to marketing thats where you business will come from. You will feel much better then being used by someone.
post #36 of 118
Hello, dear sweet Paula,

Please take advantage of all us old cake masters and listen to the benefit of our past experiences. So now here's my 2 cents' worth:

*She's trying to take advantage of your "christian" status by cornering you with her arm wrapped around your shoulders in church. Some people just have no class!

*Tell her that you cannot possibly do the cake for less than the quoted price. You have a home to run, after all, and only 24 hours in your day. Does she think you're just sitting on your butt waiting for some benevolent soul to come and order a wedding cake???

*Recommend that she call around for other quotes so that she can discover that she is already getting quite a deal.

*Give her a definite date for a firm deposit on this cake. I can just see her stiffing you if you don't have some $$ up front!

*Make sure she knows the parameters of what you are willing to do to decorate this cake. If you have to be up for four nights making Heaven-knows-what out of gum paste/pastillage/royal icing/fondant, etc., it will not be worth your time and energy. You are priced for a VERY BASIC CAKE .... make sure you keep it very basic.

*Tell her that if you don't have the deposit of $________ (insert amount here) by ________(time) o'clock on Dec. ______(date) then the cost goes up to $1.50 per person, NO EXCEPTIONS!

*Make sure she knows that FINAL PAYMENT IN FULL IS DUE ABSOLUTELY NO LATER THAN ___________ (date).

*NO PAYMENT, NO CAKE, NO EXCEPTIONS!!!!!

I've looked at your photos and they're really quite good. You should be flattered that she's asking you to do this for her, but she shoudl be impressed that you're willing to take her on with such short notice.

All this having been said, there is the possibility that the family is just incredibly cash-poor right now. I would love to give the benefit of the doubt here, but my gut tells me that they can come up with the $200 by the wedding date. I don't think you're outside the margins on this one.

For future reference, don't discount for ANYBODY (at least not when you're first getting established), and make sure you are pricing fairly. Your work, your body of knowledge and your time are all very valuable. Your willingness to move forward with this cake shows what a kind heart you have, even though you will probably just break even if you're lucky. Keep that smile on your face and remember, they want YOU to do their cake, so you and your work are definitely worthy!!!

Best of luck to you with this one, and please post some pictures! We'd love to see what comes of this!

Happy Baking,

Odessa
The Client doesn't generally understand the creative process we go through to make them a gorgeous confection ... it really IS more than "just" butter, eggs, and flour!
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The Client doesn't generally understand the creative process we go through to make them a gorgeous confection ... it really IS more than "just" butter, eggs, and flour!
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post #37 of 118
I agree with previous posters that you could suggest thta if money is a real concern then they could visit X shop. I often recommend people go to Marks and Spencers (a top end food shop), buy three cakes in different sizes, stack them and decoarte with fresh flowers. I explain they'll need to find out how to stack cakes and which flowers could be toxic etc. I'm doing it genuinely trying to help them save money and also so they have a little look at what's out there. They may come back to you, they may not - but you only want customers who value your time and skill don't you? Do let us know what you decide to do, we're all on your side!
post #38 of 118
I would immediately say - DON'T DO IT. Let her find somewhere else to get the cake made for a better price. You are not REQUIRED to give her a deal or help her out just because you go to the same church, especially when you don't really know her. $1 pp is soooo sooo cheap and I can't believe that she even has the guts to crab about that price to you.

I would not send her shopping for the groceries because then she'll find more ways to tell you that it costs too much, knowing the actual ingredient cost, she'll probably try to just tack on a $20 for you.

Don't become known for cheap cakes, it will be harder to get out of that later. To explain why one person got a great deal and their friends don't isn't good for any business. Plus, what if her friend who booked you for the other wedding hears that you lowered your price b/c she complained about it?

Stick to your guns on pricing, you're not asking too much. Don't feel bad about not lowering your prices. She woudln't try to bargain with a baker in a store or bakery, would she?
post #39 of 118
I just wanted to add that while it's very kind of you to think about their financial position based on what type of wedding they're having, you are under no no no obligation to worry about what they could and could not afford. Either they can afford your cake at the price you have stated or they cannot.
post #40 of 118
and this is a fellow church goer? Ha!!

I wouldn't do it for a dollar a person as then you'd get stuck with that price.

If you REALLY want to to the cake and are feeling Christian about it.

Do it for no charge.. ( I know , I know...but wait!!!)

Tell her...be honest.

It's your first cake, she's not paying you enough and that the cake is actually X amount of dollars...but since she is being your guinea pig, she's the lucky one to get compensated for letting you practice.

Ok..

Then do a bang up job with the FLAVOR and FLAVOR ONLY!!!

keep the design of the cake...very simple...and have them throw some slik or fresh flowers on it..

THATS ALL!

nothing more....I don't care if she can or cannot aford to pay for a cake...then if they are in such financial distress...they can always ELOPE!

I suggest that you do it for free, for the experience and the pictures..so you don't feel put upon.

Keep track of everything...how much you spend and how much time you spend making this cake...this will be your guide for future pricing.

If you have your heart set on making a wedding cake..then do it..but don't let people take advantage of you...

I have made and THROWN away more cake than I care to admit to...just because I REFUSE to give away my work for NOTHING.

I don't care!!!

If I want to practice something, I make a small cake and practice on that...and eighter take it home after I take the picture and my room mate and son will eat it...or I toss it in the garbage!

NO ONE is getting a CUSTOM CAKE for FREE from me.....lol

except the 2 people that I gave the money back and they are NOT welcomed in my shop any longer!!
post #41 of 118
RisqueBusiness,

Donating the cake also occured to me, but this bride doesn't appear to be the shy and retiring type.

She can still cause stlalohagal a world of grief by being a bridezilla!

And how does that impact the April bride? Is she any less deserving...

I say we all send stlalohagal a buck (okay 50 cents pp) to make a beautiful wedding cake that she can donate to the hospital, nursing home, battered women's shelter, homeless shelter, etc. of her choice icon_smile.gif

And then stlalohagal can take pictures of her lovely creation for her portfolio!
post #42 of 118
Refer her to walmart, i know for a fact that she cant get a 3tiered cake for about 100-150. If thats all she can afford -she can get the best for what money she has.

Wedding cakes take alot of time,effort and money and I would only comprimise my position for a real true friend in this case.
post #43 of 118
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Originally Posted by JanH

RisqueBusiness,

Donating the cake also occured to me, but this bride doesn't appear to be the shy and retiring type.

She can still cause stlalohagal a world of grief by being a bridezilla!

And how does that impact the April bride? Is she any less deserving...

I say we all send stlalohagal a buck (okay 50 cents pp) to make a beautiful wedding cake that she can donate to the hospital, nursing home, battered women's shelter, homeless shelter, etc. of her choice icon_smile.gif

And then stlalohagal can take pictures of her lovely creation for her portfolio!



JahH,

I do believe that I mentioned that this bride would be the GUINEA PIG..and as such is going to be compensated ...by having a cake of X amount donated.

That way...the woman CANNOT become a BRIDEZILLA as that would NOT be the "CHRISTIAN" thing to do..right?

Being humble and accepting of the "gift" is more in keeping with the "CHRISTIAN SPIRIT"...no?

I wouldn't tell her to "GIVE" her the cake..I would present this nice "CHURCH GOING BRIDE" a bill for the true cost of the cake..with a smile and putting my arms around her like she approached our CC member....tell her nicely...."Oh thank you so much for being my Guinea Pig!!".lol

but keep the cake as SIMPLE as possible....UP FRONT...let this CHURCH BRIDE KNOW....this is what you're getting.....free of charge...the cake that YOU want is ...X AMOUNT OF DOLLARS.

I'll bet dollars to donuts that the woman will "all of a sudden" find the money to pay for the cake she wants!!!
post #44 of 118
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Originally Posted by JanH

RisqueBusiness,

Donating the cake also occured to me, but this bride doesn't appear to be the shy and retiring type.

She can still cause stlalohagal a world of grief by being a bridezilla!

And how does that impact the April bride? Is she any less deserving...

I say we all send stlalohagal a buck (okay 50 cents pp) to make a beautiful wedding cake that she can donate to the hospital, nursing home, battered women's shelter, homeless shelter, etc. of her choice icon_smile.gif

And then stlalohagal can take pictures of her lovely creation for her portfolio!



What a good idea!!!!!!!!!!!!
post #45 of 118
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Originally Posted by RisqueBusiness


I'll bet dollars to donuts that the woman will "all of a sudden" find the money to pay for the cake she wants!!!



I agree with this!!!! I also feel that if she wanted to the cake bad enough she could always borrow from family or even closer friends for the extra $50.~ to $100.~ bucks I mean really it's for her wedding day!!!! lol
Happy Cakin! ~*~Becky~*~
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