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post #76 of 109
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Hadn't really thought of that because I use them so seldom. My flowers are all wired and usually hang upside down to dry. I think the only thing I have ever used a former for was a orchid.
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Thanks so much for this info. I was stuck about buying the metal ball tools was Sugarcraft and I dare not do that . So yeah I get my tools now thanks !!!



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post #78 of 109
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You are welcome Moni. Once you get those tools you will really enjoy working with gumpaste. I think the metal ball tool makes a huge difference.
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post #79 of 109
Okay.. I finally got my toys in the mail and I am stoked to start. What should the gumpaste feel like? I know that's an odd question, but it seems so flimsy and if I roll it really thin it won't cup or hold its shape very well. Am I rolling it too thin? I am rolling it to 1/16th of an inch and then further thinning with the ball tool. I was able to ruffle the edge and I was happy.. even if it looked a bit messy. Also.. when working it on the celpad should I use powdered sugar to make sure it doesn't stick or something else? I will have to grab a book.. I have to make some daisies for my sister's baby shower cake and while I can get them to look nice while flat.. getting them to cup up is proving difficult. ANY advice would be most appreciated.
post #80 of 109
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My first suggestion is to try Nicholas Lodge's gumpaste recipe. I don't use any cornstarch or powdered sugar, I do lightly grease my cel board with Crisco and then wipe with a paper towel. I knead my gumpaste on the board and then roll small amounts, just enough to make all the petals I will need. Keep the remainder covered with plastic wrap and put it into a zip lock storage bag. I keep mine in the fridge and just bring it out to warm to room temperature before using it. The only way I can describe how the gumpaste should feel is you should be able to pinch the full amount of gumpaste with your thumb and fingers and not have the paste stick to you. If it sticks to your fingers it is too soft and you need to knead in a bit more powdered sugar. If it feels hard and not pliable you can knead it a small amount of Cricso, just a dab or two, knead until it feels pliable. I would also suggest you invest in Nic's book "A Potpourri of flowers" it has 15 flowers with color photos, instructions and some patterns. Different flowers need to be rolled thinner, some thicker. For instance a Tulip or Magnolia has thicker petals than say a Sweetpea or Freesia. Thinning on the foam pad with a metal ball tool is really only meant to thin the edges or ruffle them.
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post #81 of 109
Thanks Shirley.. I think my GP needs more PS. When you thin or "soften the edges.. how close to the edge do you go? I found that when I thinned the edges you could see a line all around. Perhaps I an thinning it too much.. I'll get the hang of it. I am more concerned with my daisies since I need them for next week. Thanks again for all of your help.
post #82 of 109
Shirley, do you recommend this over his other books?
post #83 of 109
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How thin? Well, I can't watch you doing them so can only guess you may be applying too much pressure. On a longer pointed petal like a daisy, try holding the metal ball like a pencil, with the ball half on the edge of the petal and half on the foam cel pad. start at the top right side and go all the way down to the pointed tip, stop and go back up to the top left side and do the same thing, stop at the point of the petal. If you are rolling the paste thin enough before cutting your daisy you may not even need to thin the edges. I use the plunger type cutter which veins the flower as it cuts it. If you don't have that type use either a Dresden tool or the dull edge of a butter knife and make a line from the top to the bottom of each petal directly through the center. You want an indentation but don't press too hard or you will cut through the petal.

As for the petals not cupping up, if you don't have a flower former here is what you can do. Use a drinking glass, take a square of foil wrap just large enough to fit over the mouth of the glass and about halfway down the sides. Mold the center of the foil wrap over a rounded object, something like a tennis ball or an orange. Lay the foil over the glass with the cup shape fitting inside the glass, smooth the foil down tightly around the sides. While your flower is still fairly fresh, stick the wire directly into the center of the foil and let the flower settle in, rearrange any petals that may fold or twist out of shape. Let the flower dry in this shape for at least a few hours, overnight is even better. The next day loosen the foil from the sides of the glass and carefully lift it up from both sides until it is free of the glass. Turn the flower over into the palm of your hand and slide it away by pulling the foil off from the flowers wired stem. Carefully lay the flower petal side down on a piece of paper towel to air dry on the back. When it is completely dry it is ready to dust with petal dust and steam to set the color. If you want your petal more closed as in a bud, make a large hook in the end of the wire, stick it into the edge of a block of styrofoam, move the foam to the edge of your table or countertop, weight the center of the foam with a can of soup or something heavy enough to keep it from tipping over. Suspend your flower so it is hanging free in midair and not touching the table top.

I recommend the Potpourri book over his other books only because it has nothing but gumpaste flowers. If you want to learn other techniques of decorating his other books are very good as well.
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post #84 of 109
I think you are right.. I think I was pressing too hard. Thank you SO much for all of your help.. I will definitely have to order that book.
post #85 of 109
Well.. here is my sad attempt at a daisy.. LOL. I have to get the middle color (and shape) better, but I was making orange gp for lava and I just grabbed some for the middle.
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I don't think it is sad at all Jeanne, very cute for a first try. You might want to roll the paste a bit thinner and if you want the petals to cup up as you mentioned, try that foil wrap in the drinking glass, it works well if the flower is still soft. And if you want to separate the two layers of petals so the top petals stand up a bit more than the bottom. Cut little tiny squares of a soft foam like they use it packing cases. While the paste is still soft, lift each petal of the top flower one at a time and slip a little square of foam under each petal, leave it until the flower is completely dry and then carefully pull out each piece of foam with a pair of tweezers.

The other thing I noticed is you can see the shiny glue or water you used to attach the center. If you were going to dust the flower with petal dust that spot would not accept the color. You have to be careful and just use as little glue as possible for that reason.
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Yeah.. this was just a practice one and the water wasn't even dry yet.. LOL I just put it on with my finger.. not the best method, but I was impatient.. icon_wink.gif .

Not HORRIBLE for a first try.. but I am not satisfied. I'll keep at it though. Now if I could just get ruffling down.. grrrrrr. It's been elusive. my GP just doesn't want to ruffle. I think it might be that it's too thick.. that and my GP consistency isn't exactly right. I think I am going to grab some of the wilton ready made stuff just to see what it feels like. I think the stuff I made (CK products mix) is too sticky.. I have been playing with it.. but I have no idea what it's supposed to feel like. I did find a cake store near me and they have an advanced decorating class that does GP flowers.. I think I'll enroll..

Thanks again Shirley for all of your help.. I will be spending many sleepless nights getting this right.. and them making 12 or so nicer ones for my cake.
post #88 of 109
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You're welcome Jeanne. It could very well be your gumpaste, I have never used pre-made gumpaste. I use Nic Lodge's Tylose recipe and it works very well for me.
http://www.nicholaslodge.com/gumpaste.htm
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post #89 of 109
Love those daisies Janine!! icon_biggrin.gif And thank you Shirley for sharing your expertise with us!! What would we do without you??? icon_wink.gificon_lol.gif
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post #90 of 109
Thanks again Shirley. I'll run out to the cake store tomorrow and see if they have tylose. Is there anything you can use in place of it if they don't have it? I want to think I saw some there, but I am not 100%.
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