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post #76 of 89
9/1/07 at 6:34pm
Well here's my degree-less take on it....

The roller is on the cake for a matter of minutes at most. There is no long term contact for much of anything to get absorbed. As with most things, it's continual or repeated long term exposure that could possibly create a safety issue.

I for one am not about to pay 5 times the price for something that may come out in the future that will be exactly the same thing, only have a label stuck on it that says it's for cake decorating.

I'm as cautious as anyone, but there is such a thing as going overboard and for me, this is one of them.
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post #77 of 89
9/1/07 at 6:37pm
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Originally Posted by annieliz

I just wanted to add a lil bit to this post. I'm a part time decorator and i make steering wheels as a full time job. Isocyantes are only harmful immediately if you're allergic to it. If isocyantes are a big concern for you, i hope u don't drive cuz there are isocyantes in your steering wheel too.



I haven't met anyone who eats their steering wheel though...



lol not intentionally no. i have accidentally gotten some in my mouth from flying particles, spit it out right away of course, and believe me they don't taste good lol. we have to wear protective gloves and sleeves because the iso can leach thru your skin over time. my point was merely that iso is in places other than in a high density roller and lots of people are exposed to it on a daily basis. Is iso harmful? yes, but only in large amounts or if you are allergic. I've worked in the same place for a total of 5 years and have been exposed to iso the whole time and i'm still alive and kickin.
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post #78 of 89
9/1/07 at 6:43pm
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lol not intentionally no....... I've worked in the same place for a total of 5 years and have been exposed to iso the whole time and i'm still alive and kickin.



Glad you got the humor of that. Just curious, what PPE do you use at work? We were required to wear full PPE (gloves, vapor mask (if it was possible to be a vapor), glasses, and as always, the trusty lab coat when working with it raw.
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post #79 of 89
9/1/07 at 6:48pm
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Originally Posted by gpenguin

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Originally Posted by annieliz

lol not intentionally no....... I've worked in the same place for a total of 5 years and have been exposed to iso the whole time and i'm still alive and kickin.



Glad you got the humor of that. Just curious, what PPE do you use at work? We were required to wear full PPE (gloves, vapor mask (if it was possible to be a vapor), glasses, and as always, the trusty lab coat when working with it raw.



we wear safety glasses, hyflex glove on one hand and a latex glove on the other, pull on sleeves (not sure what they're made out of) only have to wear a mask if we choose to. people in my capacity don't deal with it fresh out of the drum but mixed in the wheel itself.
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post #80 of 89
9/1/07 at 7:05pm
Anythingsugar wrote:


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And you gloss right over the fact that many people (not just me)would like an apology.



I agree 100% with anythingsugar. Honestly, of we go back to what is originally said, yes, you may be ingesting a substance that is potentially harmfull to you, YEAH.. SO WHAT.. YOU INGEST HUNDREDS OF THINGS THAT ARE HARMFUL TO YOU. I guess what has me so worked up is this one thing has peope questioning products in your life. And no, you don't have to eat a steering wheel to see the harms. How many people hold onto a sterring wheel for hours at a time. You honsetly don't think that
the diiscoycanates is leaching into your skin and causing some harm??
In my un-degree in chemistry, wouldn't diiscoycanates or whater they're called be leachecd into my skin just by holding it for hours on end?? Since when does only ingesting somethinhg make it the cause of some serious disease?? I mean, if going back to the original post... isnt' the whole thing based on the roller touching oil based products for an hour?? Well what do hands let off?? OIL. gpenguins discussion is such a one sided thing, which is why cc'ers should consider some of doug's questions. I guess the thing with this argument is that people know and trust Doug, where as gpenguin is someone new, who comes off as forcing their opinon and expecting us to completly side with them.
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post #81 of 89
9/1/07 at 7:05pm
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Originally Posted by annieliz

we wear safety glasses, hyflex glove on one hand and a latex glove on the other, pull on sleeves (not sure what they're made out of) only have to wear a mask if we choose to. people in my capacity don't deal with it fresh out of the drum but mixed in the wheel itself.


That sounds about right for production end on what I did. I would have preffered the pull on sleeves myself sometimes, but they weren't supplied to us in the lab. icon_sad.gif Those lab coats get dirty quickly if you aren't careful. I think the sleeves would have been easier to deal with. I've got three more years before my non-disclosure clause is fulfilled or I would tell you more what I worked on (it wasn't steering wheels, it wasn't even meant for a consumer in fact).

From my experiences with steering wheels (which is only as a motorist), the quality seems so much better now. Some of my older cars you could get in and literally wipe a layer of "stuff" off of it after it sat in the heat for a while. Same for the dash. Newer models are much better.
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post #82 of 89
9/1/07 at 7:58pm
hmmmm....could it have been soft padded $20,000 toilet seats for the military???

couldn't resist that crack as that is exactly where this thread seems to be going -- into the toilet w/ personal attacks.

for shame!

moy! trusted? granted been around the block but, hey, my word is neither "scripture" nor "gospel."

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and I choose to defer to gpenguin's data as a cause of concern.

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and as for momentary contact -- well try that w/ arsenic or cyanide or ....(and the list of death on contact chemicals goes on)

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and as for my "Simply put, it's your choice to take offense where NONE was intended. "

that was NOT directed at gpenguin but at those with their shorts in a knot because of the choice of words in her explanation to ME DIRECTLY with the rest of CC as bystanders.

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enough -- gpenquin and I have made our peace.

she too only wants the best for all of us -- to live long, happy, safe lives.

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cut her some slack -- this is NOT the way to welcome a new member to CC.

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I am glad to have gpenguin here. soooooo

W E L C O M E gpenguin! << the welcome you should have gotten in the first place!
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post #83 of 89
9/1/07 at 8:13pm
I'm sorry, I know Im not on here much these days but I was on every hour basically of everyday when this technique was brought forth so all I have to say is............


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post #84 of 89
9/1/07 at 8:27pm
All,

I HATE to pull out the "Piled higher and deeper" card....but here goes.

I am a PhD Biochemist with a bachelors degree in synthetic organic chemistry. I currently work in a government lab, one that does a lot of chemical toxicology.

Yes, isocyanates are a concern, but I sincerely doubt the LEVELS given from a 60-second rolling are sufficient to cause any ills at all. They do exhibit some topical toxicology in relatively high concnetrations (like drops of the neat chemical on your skin), and the link to cancer at the minscule levels given off a roller that has been washed after manufacture have not, to my knowledge, been demonstrated. As stated elsewhere on this thread, moderate dermal exposure and occasional oral ingestion of the solid materials is not a big deal.

Thank you for posting, but my overall feeling here is whith the group that is not too worried about trace chemicals of any type. I absolutely guarnatee that all of us ingest measurable amounts of the following every day icon_eek.gif

- acrylamides
- cyanides (YES, I MEAN CYANIDES!)
- Plutonium (no kidding, not much but enough to detect)
- Radium
- Mercury
- Cadmium
- Chromium
- Insects
- Lots of other nasty things

We live in the real world...foam in not generally considered a contact hazard for people of food. icon_smile.gif

My two cents...not bashing but giving an informed decision.

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post #85 of 89
9/1/07 at 10:46pm
Why are we supposed to think this post was originally only between Doug and gpenguin? Are we not entitled to our opinions. I'm happy the two of you have kissed and made up and are now defending eachother, very cute however some of us still have our own opinions because believe it or not we do have brains even though were not all scientists or teachers!
I too take offense to the "dumb down" statement no matter how it's explained. We teach our kids not to say the word dumb, call anybody dumb, to not imply somebody is dumb, but it's perfectly okay for teachers to use that term about students and scientists to use that term to the rest of us "average" folk....I do pefer the term "simplify" terms, I think that is pretty standard and not offensive to anyone.
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post #86 of 89
9/2/07 at 1:32am
Gpenguin and Doug, please, please don't resort to PM'ing - I'm having a ball here! Talk about ROFLMAO!
Thank you to both of you, for an informative as well as entertaining post.

I will now retire with a chunk of cheese and a bar of chocolate (oh, all right, and a glass of red wine) and contemplate my choices.

P.S. to CC'ers who took offence to the phrase "dumb down" - I personally am grateful. While I consider myself to be reasonably well educated, I am NOT any form of scientist, so Yes, dumbing down was required and appreciated thumbs_up.gif
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post #87 of 89
9/2/07 at 5:17am
In my opinion, we have read enough here to make a
Personal, Informed Decision

My daughter, at age 11, was behaving badly at school, and her grades were slipping. (This is with a formally tested IQ of 155).

In the words of the child psychiatrist who talked with her, "She is dumbing it down, to be more like her class-mates"

An unfortunate choice of words? Yes. But it is commonly used.

Let's move on.

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post #88 of 89
9/2/07 at 9:38am
I don't know how I missed this post but it's definitely kept me entertained for the last half hour. I also couldn't resist not posting since I am also a chemist with my master's from the best school ever icon_lol.gif and definitely find the analysis done by gpenguin interesting. I for one wouldn't use a paint roller on cakes just because it's a paint roller. I find it sort of disturbing, but I also agree that due to the short contact it probably doesn't cause any significant damage to the icing. Only months of thorough testing would allow a reasonable conclusion for this topic.

However, I don't see why alternates (like a normal kitchen roller or parchment under the foam roller) can't be used. Will that really ruin this method? I've never actually tried this method so I can't really state that it would prevent smoothing. I was just wondering.

I really feel for gpenguin because her topic has been picked apart. It's really sad that people can take such offense to how people say things when no harm was meant. I, for one, would probably feel a little offended by the "dumb it down" comment but also realize the other person probably doesn't mean anything by it and brush it off. Is it really this big of a deal to cause such turmoil in what should be an accepting discussion forum for all?

Just wondering.
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post #89 of 89
9/10/07 at 3:37am
I'm a little "afraid" to add a reply...lol!

I originally was pretty "yeah, ok, whatever!" about this subject until the other day I noticed that even though I thoroughly wash my rollers after every use, they are turning yellow and now have a greasy film on the outside. So with a sad sigh, I'm tossing the rollers and looking for an alternative.

In a previous post, Sirius showed that a wooden roller is a good alternative. So I am putting dh to work making me some 4in wooden rollers. Also, Pampered Chef carries a two ended plastic pastry roller. Another CCer that does PC is trying that out, so maybe the pastic rollers will be a go as well?
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