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post #46 of 114
I've had one of my pictures used on someone elses web site without my permission and I was very flattered and upset ....all at the same time. My first though was , really....one of my cakes good enough to be stolen...then my next thought was, well why didn't they just try to make it themselves.

I have another cake that I made before I even knew what cc was (can you imagine there was a time?) and once I posted it I have gotten many request for instructions - which I send to anyone that asks. Again, I think it's awesome that someone else likes my idea and wants to try it themselves....here is where I have the problem, when I send someone directions and encouragement and then see their cake posted and not being given credit for my help.

So for me, copy away.....but give credit or thanks for the help (if you have actually helped the person). I would even go as far as giving credit for the inspiration. I did not do that when I was new to CC....but once I cought on, I do it every single time.
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post #47 of 114
Now, if someone swiped my picture of a cake I made, I'd be madder than a wet hornet. Let them make one and take their own picture!

Mind you, I know my picture taking skills need attention...still...let 'em get their own picture of their own cake oh yeah, and not their own picture of my cake!
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post #48 of 114
birthday.gif I would be flattered if somebody copy my design...Many of my cakes has been inspired by cc members.
When you are just strating we try to take all the good things we come across. Publishing photos of somebody is illegal.
I noted that somebody publised WBH recipe...Hope they take it out soon.
post #49 of 114
I think we can all agree that no one wants a picture of their cake used on someone else's web site. Okay, that's a no brainer.

But, to say that someone shouldn't use a cake design is just too much. So no one is allowed to create a package cake with a bow on top and ribbon? (I'm doing one this weekend.) Oops, I've been asked to make Tiffany Blue - is that okay, or am I infringing on the Tiffany company? Now, I couldn't make my cake and call it a cake by the Tiffany company (and man is that color hard to make anyway!!!). Attaching their name to my cake would be illegal. But, it's not illegal or immoral for me to use that color. Nor is it wrong, imho, to use a style someone else did -- I just can't say that it's a cake by THAT particiular decorator -- say Toba Garrett or Colette Peters. Now THAT would be wrong.

I hate to add this can of worms, (and since it's buried on pg 4 and so long in my post most won't see it, but I think it's important), but I am really getting a sense of a "better-than" attitude about the idea of "artist", "decorator", "designer" and "creator". Some of us are amazingly creative artistic types who love to create everything about their cake from the colors, to the style, to the -- well, everything. Others are decorators who take pride is their ability to make a bow or use mmf or actually pipe a straight line. Both have a place in the cake decorating world. But, if every "decorator" had to be an original "artist" too, then this would be a very limited cake world indeed.

Okay, now I'm not very popular, but I just had to throw in my 2 cents. I love the gallery here on cc, and I love reading opinions by others and looking at the fabulous cakes here. I think there are many on here who are multi-talented. I just ask those of you who are to remember that there are those who are trying to do the best they can to learn and grow.

S.
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post #50 of 114
well said sonomoa!!!

love your signaure scripture too
post #51 of 114
I have had a couple of people pm me and ask questions about different cakes I have made. I don't mind at all if someone wants to copy or take ideas and make them their own. As a matter of fact I'm flattered.

If I see a cake or technique that I really would like to try I usually pm the person and ask for permission to use their idea. All of the CCers have been extremely nice and very helpful. I've had people tell me, it wasn't really necessary to ask their permission! I am teaching myself and learning as I go. I find when I am able to copy something it helps me to learn. It's very rewarding when I come up with a design of my own, but the inspiration I have from the pictures on this sight is amazing!

I have along way to go with my decorating skills, but copy away if you desire to do so! lol
post #52 of 114
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Originally Posted by sonoma9


I hate to add this can of worms, (and since it's buried on pg 4 and so long in my post most won't see it, but I think it's important), but I am really getting a sense of a "better-than" attitude about the idea of "artist", "decorator", "designer" and "creator". Some of us are amazingly creative artistic types who love to create everything about their cake from the colors, to the style, to the -- well, everything. Others are decorators who take pride is their ability to make a bow or use mmf or actually pipe a straight line. Both have a place in the cake decorating world. But, if every "decorator" had to be an original "artist" too, then this would be a very limited cake world indeed.
S.



I agree with you and I'm not gonna sling mud or throw worms your way.
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"You get what you get and you don't pitch a fit!"

"If you always do what you always did, you'll always get what you always got!"
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"If you always do what you always did, you'll always get what you always got!"
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post #53 of 114
OK! I may seem weird or different but, I am both flattered and hurt when I see that someone has copied some element of my design. WHY NOT ASK!!?? Is it really that hard!? I did have someone do this to me and they apologized but, I still don't have credit for the original design! I love to give credit from anyone that has inspired me OR duplicated something! I think it's hurt full that someone wouldn't even consider asking to use something.
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post #54 of 114
Just to put things in more perspective. A piece of writing is so completely different than art forms. Your words speak for you - are a part of your being... someone else using them is stealing your identity in a way... The way we say things, the way we phrase them are intricately TIED to a person.

However, what if I really love the pictures of say, the Bridges of Madison County, but I wanted to take my own photos... is that stealing? what if I want a certain perspective of a daisy and I saw a painter did just the angle I like. If I paint it and sign my name and say it's by me, did I steal something or get inspired by it? What if I bought a photo and said it was taken by me? Now it's wrong, but taking a similar one with my own camera is not.

I can TOTALLY understand though how it would be terribly frustrating to be a legal baker, barely making it, and having an illegal baker down the street stealing very similar designs as you for 1/2 the price because they don't have the overhead costs of a bakery.... of course it's flattery, but it could be seen as hurting business... but IS IT? Would these people come to you in the first place? If the home baker is better, maybe you need to fine tune skills or get out of the business because it's not about the home baker... it's about being not as talented as the competition... it's competitive.

But if someone is wanting to steal your designs (and it's usually the brides that are asking, not the other baker) then it means you ARE good...just out of their price range... you wouldn't have had their business anyway.

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post #55 of 114
I remember years ago making an angel food cake from scratch and giving it my own creative twist. My family and friends loved it. It became my signature dish that I took to special events and family gatherings. I always made it when we got together with the inlaws too. Well my mother-in-law had previously asked for the recipe once which I graciously gave her. She said she would like to make it to take to the senior center Christmas party. Well when it was time for our Christmas party with the in-laws one year, I made sure to bring my signature angel cake. (Which I usually do) Well lo and behold Guess what my mother -in-law decided to make for our family gathering? You guessed it! My signature angel food cake icon_mad.gif , she not only did this once to me but twice at two different gattherings with family icon_cry.gif . Needless to say I didnt mind sharing the recipe but she should have showed a little more respect for me then that. But thats just her style. Anyway's that was the last time I took that cake to family gatherings.

Another time I was hosting a party and racked my brain trying to come up with some kind of a dip/combo for nacho's that wasnt the same ole same ole recipe you see. So after weeks of experimenting in the kitchen I came up with something pretty fantastic. Sure enough it was a big hit at the party, and everyone asked for the recipe which I gave out. Week's later one of my friends and coworker's (who was at the party and got recipe) gave her own party which I was invited to. Sure enough she had made the same exact dip and everyone at her party raved about it and asked how she came up with the recipe and she said "Oh it's just a little something I came up with one day!" Uggg!! No credit for me whatsoever!I kept my mouth shut because I did not want to embarress her cause that's not my style. She never said a word to me about it.

Years ago I had my own little business doing craft's and would do craft show's in the area. I created a very unique Item that I had never seen anywhere and it became one of my bestseller's. Within a month or so a lot of the crafters that had booth's at the samecraft shows as I, started making the exact same replica of my Item. I had a funny feeling at the first craft show that was gonna happen eventually because a lot of the vendor's purchased this item from me for themselves. They copied it, and started selling it too. We all went to the same show's. So I always try ed to come up with something unique and different and I quess my point is is that their is nothing wrong with getting ideas from people but please have a little decorum! Everyone should try to get a little more creative and take ideas you see and put your own little creative twist to it. Or at least give that someone you took the idea from a little credit.
post #56 of 114
Don't worry Sonoma9 I won't sling mud, but want you to know I can have an attitude and you're entitled to your opinion. icon_lol.gif No matter what way we look at it...a knock off is a knock off......whether your the artist or the decorator and have an attitude or not - right?

And yes, there are attitudes, icon_biggrin.gif (And mine is a biggie,) but I believe I earned the right. I'm past practicing "decorating" cakes, I now create and design cakes and sugar sculptures. And then put them in Art Shows. I spent 6 years in college with a Master degree in Art and paid for it with my own hard earned money. Whereas there are other wonderful artists that set-up their bakery and sweated over their business and earned their bragging rights also.

It's all a matter of how we define ourselves. icon_wink.gif

"We all know plenty of people that don't qualify in the race also but also have big attitudes.....so it goes both ways. icon_biggrin.gif "
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post #57 of 114
I personally think that even if two people follow a recipe to the letter, the final dish will always taste slightly different. It's the same with decorating. You can use a picture to inspire you, you can try and copy, but each decorator has their own specific 'signature' to the way they do things which will make the cake individual.

But then again, I am a newbie so what do I know???? icon_wink.gif
post #58 of 114
I'm just curious after having read all these posts: what do ya'll do with the "My Favorite Photos" here on cc. do you collect pictures of cakes you just like or cakes you would like to make? do you email each person whose picture you save to your favorites, asking permission for possible future usage? Cause I can tell you there are about 10 different pictures I've saved with the hopes that someday somebody will ask me to do it. and quite honestly, i'm not that good yet, so mine is probably gonna look pretty SIMILAR (I couldn't get it the same if I tried) to the original.
post #59 of 114
I personally would never do it. It has has happened to me, one of the earlier cakes I posted here was copied almost exactly, I spotted it in the gallery and the poster did say 'inspired by' but should have put 'copied from'. I left a comment - along the lines of 'wow, great job! I almost thought this was the one I did...' Then the same person did another copy of the same cake, but this time only said 'a copy of the one I made a while back'. I'm all for inspiration - the cake I made was inspired (extremely loosely) by another cake I saw somewhere years ago - but in this case it is an almost exact copy, you couldn't really tell them apart. They were only different because I had some unique candles on mine. Yes I admit I was a bit peeved. I get PMs and emails from time to time asking for instructions, which I always give, but I'm not expecting them to make a cake exactly like mine. I think if they have the talent to make a perfect copy they have the talent to come up with their own 'take' on a design.
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post #60 of 114
Hmmmm....

I think there are two factions here. The serious, make money out of it cake decorators and the poor little people (like me) who do it for family and friends just for love.

I don't agree with using photos directly from a website - make your own cake and photograph that.

As for copying cakes, I have hundreds of books, well a few anyway, and I always look through them. For my daughters bithdays I always made the exact same cake 'coz that's what she chose out of the book.

BUT if I had a business then there is no way I could make the exact same cake without a certain twist and call it my own - Know what I mean....

Everybody copies recipes and everybody uses them. If I get a recipe off a friend then it goes in my recipe book as "Leanne's banana cake" or "Natalie's Orange cake" or "Mama's Cherry cake" see????

these are for personal use only. I find also that there are waves where recipes are passed around and everyone is making them. I purposely go out of my way to not take a "fashionable" meal to a friends place 'coz they get done to death. We had a noodle salad going around that was so popular EVERYONe was making it.

This was taken off the back of a fried noodle packet - (anyone want it??? icon_lol.gif )

I respect the business CC-er's point of view that they don't want their creations copied and sold.

But a give a break to the learners who delight in being able to come anywhere near as close to re-creating a design they love. It's all for the sake of gaining experience, not for stealing your thunder. thumbs_up.gif
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