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post #31 of 114
8/22/07 at 11:44am
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Originally Posted by Gefion

Copying a recipe from a book is very much illegal. You have to post your own wording.



I always wondered about this. I am always surprised when a recipe from a cookbook shows up in the recipies. I don't really think it is fair to the author of the book if people post exact recipes from their book. They want you to buy the book! It might be one thing you have altered their recipe in some way or you are given permission.
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post #32 of 114
8/22/07 at 11:51am
Really, if I ever got to the point that someone thought one of my cakes was good enough to copy, as in replicate, I wouldn't be upset. When you think about it, no one is really ever going to be able to copy your exact design from a picture. Everything will never be the same when two different people make it. And if a customer brings me a picture of something that they want and they say they want it just like that, I'm going to try my best to give them what they want. I know there are some CC members who say, "I'm not going to copy anyone's design even if a customer asks for it." So do you tell your customer that? I'm not going to give you the cake you want because somebody else already thought of this design? I mean no one has a copyright or monopoly on cake design ideas! Seriously.

Now using someone else's picture as your own is completely unacceptable, that's a whole other ball game.
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post #33 of 114
8/22/07 at 11:57am
I agree with LeahS. No copies of my designs please but I would consider it very flattering if anyone took inspiration of my designs.
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post #34 of 114
8/22/07 at 11:58am
I surely do not know the legalities, but it seems to me that even if you change the wording of a recipe that is still copyright infringement. That person's hard work went into developing those recipes and published that work. When copyrighting its more than the published pages that should be protected. Aren't the concepts protected? The time and expertiese the person put into developing the concepts is what is being compensated for, not the paper it's published on. Here's what it says in the back of Debbie Brown's book:

"All rights reserved. No part of this publication may be reproduced, stored in a retrieval system, or transmitted in any form or by any means, electronic, mechanical, photocopying, recording or otherwise without the prior written permission of both the copyright owner and the publishers."

Sounds like they've got their bases covered.
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post #35 of 114
8/22/07 at 12:00pm
LOL --- my cake designs get copied ALL the time. This cake I made in July 2005 has been copied too many times to count: http://www.sugarcreations.com/IrelandsFirstBirthday.jpg

Here's how I look at it. I'm one person. I can't even supply cake to everyone in my area let alone make deliveries to everyone in the USA. So who cares if someone copies my cake? I rarely make the same cake twice anyhow. And plus, how much can you really do with butter and sugar? Even if you think you're coming up with something completely new and original, chances are, somebody has already done it. Heck, I even recognize a couple Wilton designs on "leahs" website.

But now, if you take my pictures and publish them (website or otherwise), I'm coming after ya! ;-P
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post #36 of 114
8/22/07 at 12:09pm
I'm sorry but I don't understand why anyone would care if someone across the country or the world used your design. It would NEVER be exactly the same - it could be better, worse or the same quality, but a slightly different take.

Now, if it were someting I could just order from the internet from teh original designer, then sure... I would be ticked, but you can't really become a cake exporter.

it's not illegal to make your own attempt at the Monet Lisa... It's just illegal to say it was the original Mona Lisa.

Recipes from books are another matter and I'm pretty sure it says in the recipe seciton not to duplicate book recipes.

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post #37 of 114
8/22/07 at 12:19pm
Count me in the camp of "who cares".. no one will be able to replicate anything exactly and honestly what is "original".. TRUELY original.. these days? You want to put a multi colored loppy bown atop a pick cake with pink and purple fondant balls around the bottom?? I have done it.. others have done it too.. I can't say that design is MINE back off or I'll poke you with a big pointy stick. So long as they aren't taking a picture of my work and say this is mine I couldn't care less.. copy away.
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post #38 of 114
8/22/07 at 12:21pm
First I'd like to say thank you to everyone that posts their pictures to inspire me. When idea well runs dry, this is an awesome place to come to get my creative juices flowing.

I generally won't copy a wedding cake exactly. I avoid this by asking the bride what colors they are using, what flowers, theme of the wedding, location, etc. and then put a spin on it. They ususally are very happy to have a one-of-a-kind design tailored exactly to their wedding.
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post #39 of 114
8/22/07 at 12:28pm
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post #40 of 114
8/22/07 at 12:29pm
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Originally Posted by CakeBaker

LOL --- This cake I made in July 2005 has been copied too many times to count: http://www.sugarcreations.com/IrelandsFirstBirthday.jpg



Well what do you expect when you make a cake that cute?icon_wink.gif

.....Runs to get the cake pans and fondant out... icon_biggrin.gif
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post #41 of 114
8/22/07 at 12:35pm
I have to agree with CakeBaker........everytime i think Ive come up with something new and fantastic I eventually end up seeing it some where else....only to be disappointed thinking I was the ONE who discovered it or made it or whatever icon_razz.gif

By the way CakeBaker I have copied that cake of yours......and Dam It Man it never looks like yours!!! icon_lol.gificon_lol.gif
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post #42 of 114
8/22/07 at 1:03pm
I am inspired by many from here but not nearly good enough to "copy" any design. Although, famous cake decorators make wonderful cakes and put them in books with written instructions for others to go by. Hmmm doesn't that mean they expect others to try to make that cake? I wonder how many books they would sell IF it stated in the book "Do not copy any of my designs?"

What about when you take the Wilton classes and there are cakes in the books for inspiration and ideas...can you only make those cakes while enrolled in classes?

I totally understand using pictures and not stating where they came from. That is an entirely different creature. I also agree that commenting on someone's inspiration is wonderful. Just my 2 cents.
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post #43 of 114
8/22/07 at 1:04pm
i too would like to say thank you to all the people who post their pictures here on cc. i have only been baking for about 9 months and i need all the inspiration i can get! i could never make any of the cakes on here to the point of looking exactly like the photo, anyone would be able to tell that it was mine (with all the mistakes). but i do try my best to copy some of them because they are so beautiful the colors the design everything!!!! and i do tell people that i copied it from a picture here on cc. So thank you again to everyone here at cc.
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post #44 of 114
8/22/07 at 1:07pm
Well I personally don't mind if anyone ever copied something I did ~ cause as mentioned above...why does it matter if someone across the country does the same cake? And I too have had it happen where I make a cake and go and find one almost exactly like it before I even post it in the gallery! ha...not as original as we think icon_wink.gif

I do have issues with stealing photos but ideas? I think that's what CC is for...a sharing of ideas. And if someone copies yours - well that's life icon_smile.gif Its flattering to me if someone loves my design enough to want to create it to share with someone else.
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post #45 of 114
8/22/07 at 1:13pm
CakeBaker, I love that design! I've not attempted duplicating it but would definitely consider it one that I would love to try!

If I were to get a portfolio together, with cakes I've done, if I duplicated someone else's design, it would include "original design by______" and include the name of whoever I got the idea from.

I think it would be vain of me to think that no one else out there had the same idea for a cake that I had had. Like the woman who claimed the hamburger cupcakes was her original idea...ain't that what she was claiming? Puhlease! That was no more her original idea than a bologna sandwich was my idea!

If someone decided to duplicate a cake I've made or used my cake for inspiration, I would be flattered beyond belief. The most I would hope for, not expect, and also be proud of, is if they noted me as a contributor of the idea.

Why bother keeping a portfolio of cakes you've done, if someone can't request that same cake? If I'm gonna design a different cake for every bride, why would I show her pictures of work that I've done?

Ya'll feel free to duplicate any cake I've posted! LOL No, for real though.
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